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      08-22-2007, 10:04 PM   #1
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135d? Come on BMW dooo it!

Here's an Idea....

We all know that BMW has made the 1 series the main focus of its "Efficient Dynamics" program. It's also clearly obvious that car companies are about to drastically change in terms of better fuel economy and most likely new fuels powering their motors. In order to really go strong with their increased mileage and cleaner burning technologies, what if BMW only offered every 1 series exclusively with a clean burning Diesel engine? a 120d, 123d, and a 135d. The 135d could use the same awesome twin-turbo engine that is in both the 335d and 535d. (which by the way will be introduced to the U.S. soon :headbang: )

Now here's an even crazier idea. What if BMW decides to make an M1 with a new high performance diesel engine in conjunction with weight saving technologies? Obviously that sounds crazy and out of the ordinary for BMW's M Group to do, but they and all other car companies are racing to quickly come up with ways to improve their fleet's mileage and "green up" their image. Basically, in the years ahead all car companies are dramatically going to change their ways... They'll have no choice.

Having a "greener", high performance diesel M1 might get a lot of people's attention and allow their diesel technology to breakout with a bang! A high performance diesel is sorta what Lexus did with their new LS 600H hybrid. Toyota knew that they had to remove that stigma from hybrid vehicles... and they succeeded. More and more people are buying hybrids. The same can go for diesels. People have stigmas about diesels being too loud and not performing... Making a high performance diesel BMW M car would definitely change that.

Just think about the car testers and magazine reviews? I think it would be a bold move and sell very well. I mean, who wouldn't want a 286 hp w/ 428lb/ft of torque 135d that gets an average of 31 mpg? With the M-Suspension and 6 piston brakes...It's a win win.

FYI: The 335d gets about 40 mpg/ hwy and 21 mpg/city. A 135d with lighter weight and their stop/go engine feature would most likely give better mileage than the 335d. Also, I think the Audi R8 GT race car has a twin turbo V10 diesel and it performs like a monster...

Again, this is just an idea... I think it's a great idea...

Remember, we are about to experience great change in the car industry...

Discuss it amongst yourselves.
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      08-22-2007, 10:10 PM   #2
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A 135d might be a little overkill, but it is one those things that make you go "Hmmm!". Frankly I would be happy if they offered the 123d to NA.
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      08-22-2007, 10:13 PM   #3
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I don't know what to say. First I've drooled over the 3.0 sequential turbo diesel for several years now. That knowing it would awhile before we ever see it in the U.S. The reality is BMW is a large corporation and will SLOWLY change the engine line up in the US to include diesels. It will be some time before we see the full diesel line up here.
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      08-22-2007, 10:21 PM   #4
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The reality is BMW is a large corporation and will SLOWLY change the engine line up in the US to include diesels. It will be some time before we see the full diesel line up here.
Damn, my "Easy Button" stopped working again. Waiting for BMW diesels is about as much fun as watching the grass grow (and just as fast, too). :wink:
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      08-22-2007, 10:32 PM   #5
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I don't know what to say. First I've drooled over the 3.0 sequential turbo diesel for several years now. That knowing it would awhile before we ever see it in the U.S. The reality is BMW is a large corporation and will SLOWLY change the engine line up in the US to include diesels. It will be some time before we see the full diesel line up here.
I'm sorry but I disagree. We all know that BMW is bringing the 335d, 535d, and maybe the X5 diesel to N. America. I'm sure if we heard years ago about Toyota's hybrid technology we would have laughed in their faces... But now look at them. They did a "ballsy" move and it definitely paid off. Now every car company is playing catch up.

It's not like BMW has to develop all their diesels from scratch... They already have them... It's just a matter of convincing people in the states that they're cool...

I think a high performance M diesel is what would change everybody's perception and would catapult BMW as the pioneer in high performance, high mileage clean diesel technology cars.

They can call it the M1 d. This way they don't use the same name as the original M1...

Listen up BMW, I think I'm on to something...
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      08-22-2007, 10:35 PM   #6
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If they made, I'd buy it.
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      08-23-2007, 06:46 AM   #7
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I'd rather have the 123d, honestly. The whole draw of a diesel, to me, is efficiency. The 2.0 twinturbo diesel is more efficient, and BMW predicts 0-60 in 7.1 seconds which is plenty to keep up on the road.

Although the Audi R10 Diesel race car is impressive, indeed, it doesn't sound very good. It's just a low hum and a lot of turbo whistle. Diesels don't excite my senses the way a high-revving petrol motor does.

Now if I got 45mpg, I'd forgive that
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      08-23-2007, 07:28 AM   #8
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As I stated here: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=968

Canada is getting a diesel, just note sure what displacement or what models though.
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The US is, too, tmacs. In the X5. Maybe the 3er, too.

Most folks don't think the 1er diesels will be here soon.
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      08-23-2007, 08:27 AM   #10
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I think a high performance M diesel is what would change everybody's perception and would catapult BMW as the pioneer in high performance, high mileage clean diesel technology cars.
they already make a 120d racer:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/2060322....otorsport-120d

would love to get my hands on something similar.
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      08-23-2007, 03:44 PM   #11
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The M-cars are all 'Halo' cars to draw buyers into buying lower performance versions of the same model. The only reason BMW would build a sequential turbo diesel M1/135d would be to push sales of 123d's and 120d's. I could see that happening in Europe. It could be a chance for them to break new ground in their EU diesel market, in a market segment where they sell a ton of diesels. Sure there is that whole tradition of "no-turbo in M-cars" thing to deal with, but why not break some rules?

The whole thing goes full circle though when it comes to the US market. They don't sell 123d or 120d models here, so there is no need for a 'Halo' diesel M1/135d in this market. They would need to start selling at least 123d's here for it to make any sense for them to import a diesel M1/135d into the States.

So I guess I would be for an M1/135d if it meant they would
have to import 123d's in order to capitolize on the 'Halo' effect.

But I wouldn't buy it.

I'm still stuck on that 123d, chipped to make it run the same 0-60 as the old 330ci while still getting 45+ mpg.
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      08-23-2007, 04:55 PM   #12
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The M-cars are all 'Halo' cars to draw buyers into buying lower performance versions of the same model.
I don't agree with that assessment. M was born out of necessity: to homologate a racer. Although that is no longer the reason for its existance, and M has become a more encompassing performance division, I refuse to believe that an M engineer's sole mission in life is to drive sales of lower models.

M exists to make fast cars, period. BMW purports to be the "Ultimate Driving Machine," and the M cars are the ultimate expression of that concept. They are built for enthusiasts.

Do they have some halo effect? I don't know, perhaps. But I view the M cars rather like the Type R's of the Honda world: a Type R is (usually!) a finely tuned expression of Honda's belief in high performance driving. Honda doesn't sell them to bring people in the showrooms; the Type R Integra sold here for a measely $2250 more than the GS-R, yet Acura sold GS-R's in droves. Is this because the Type R was a halo car, and folks came in looking for R's but leaving with the (much) lesser car? Nope. It's because the average person doesn't give a rat's patootie about ultimate over-the-road progress.

(Sadly, this is why we are getting the Mugen Civic Si overpriced POS at $30k, when the Civic Type R would run rings around it for only $25k).

Even though I disagree with your rationale, I agree with the conclusion. There won't be an M Diesel in the US because Diesel still isn't as fast as petrol, at least until you're talking R10... :wink:
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      08-24-2007, 11:40 PM   #13
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123d more than enough torque for cruising comfy

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A 135d might be a little overkill, but it is one those things that make you go "Hmmm!". Frankly I would be happy if they offered the 123d to NA.
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      08-25-2007, 09:10 AM   #14
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one more vote for the 123d.
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