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      07-19-2007, 03:09 PM   #67
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no fog lights?????????
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      07-19-2007, 03:39 PM   #68
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no fog lights?????????
Evidently no fogs on the 135i as standard equipment.
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      07-19-2007, 07:03 PM   #69
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Curb Weight

Curb weight is calculated a full tank of gasoline, no passengers and no cargo.....so, the fellow who initially calculated ~3200lbs is correct. 3274 lbs....
Making this ONE SWEET RIDE!

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      07-19-2007, 07:06 PM   #70
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we might get for lights in the states but i doubt it
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      07-20-2007, 09:04 AM   #71
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Let's put 200lbs of ballast in your s2k and see if it's still as enjoyable...

I guess I'm never going to win this argument seeing it's me against the whole forum... Sorry, I guess the idea of a 3000lb car with 300hp is just plain stupid and wouldn't be fun to drive at all :iono:
Not the whole forum....
I'm 100000% in your corner.

I'm looking for something to complement my Z4M;
& if this car isn't ~3200lb or less I'm done with it.
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      07-21-2007, 05:25 AM   #72
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U.S. manufacutures do have the car filled with fuel when they say curb weight. What these magazines do is they take what BMW says their unladen weight is and call it a curb weight. To everyone else, the curb weight of a 135i is 3440lbs. To me and a well informed person, its 3274.

Btw, I've seen a lot of people over the past couple days on other forums be turned completely off when they saw the 1560 kg. I'm tired of informing. The Devil is in the details.
I am still uncertain if the calculations are right. If we compare apples to apples the UK has 335i listed at 1600kg and the 135i at 1560kg that means the 135i is only 88lbs lighter than the 335i. Comparatively this is shocking consider the 135i is smaller.

Base on your calculation the weight of the 135i will be at 3274 but applying the same method to 335i it will put 335i some where in the same ball park as well. In fact 335i will probably have a advantage because it has a bigger gas tank. Therefore, a slightly larger portion of its 1600kg unladen weight comes from gas, but not its true mass. This will narrow the mass gap between the 1 and 3s.

What's even more shocking and might annoy 335i driver is the UK 530i weights only 5kg, at 1605kg, more than the 335i.

On BMW NA website the weight difference between 535i and 335i is around 80lbs just like the weight difference between 335i and 135i. If your calculation is correct then the true weight of 135i is 3274lb, 335i 3354lbs and the 535i is 3434lbs.
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      07-21-2007, 11:05 AM   #73
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On BMW NA website the weight difference between 535i and 335i is around 80lbs just like the weight difference between 335i and 135i. If your calculation is correct then the true weight of 135i is 3274lb, 335i 3354lbs and the 535i is 3434lbs.
Car & Driver weighed their 335i coupe for the Lightning lap around 3360lbs, so that seems about right. I think somebody else said (not sure which forum) that as the model line goes up, BMW puts more money into lighter weigh materials. It makes sense and the relatively minute weight differences despite size differences seem to back that up.
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      07-23-2007, 07:10 AM   #74
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BMW quote the 335i as 1,600Kg (with manual transmission) and the 135i as 1,560Kg.

It means that the 135i is 40Kg lighter - simple as that - no matter what destination country (any changes for specific country will be applied across the range, with a similar effect on weight).

BMW purposely made the 135i heavier at the rear in order to maintain a 50:50 weight distribution.

The bottom line is that the 135i will be a lighter, faster, cheaper car than the 335i (135i will probably de-value faster too).
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      07-23-2007, 02:01 PM   #75
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(135i will probably de-value faster too).
So would it be safe to assume that in about two years after it's debut, I should be able to find a 135i with navigation here in the US for under $34,000?
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      07-23-2007, 02:07 PM   #76
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So would it be safe to assume that in about two years after it's debut, I should be able to find a 135i with navigation here in the US for under $34,000?
I would certainly hope so, but if you are looking for a deal try to minimize the options.
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      07-25-2007, 04:11 PM   #77
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Another thank you

Awesome! Thank you for posting.
Have to call my dealer and find out when they are placing orders for the 1st 1s
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      08-02-2007, 01:14 PM   #78
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That's not the point.. the point is that BMW is comparing this to the "tossable" 2002... which was/is a roller skate on rails...

If I have to explain that a tossable vehicle is, then you really wouldn't understand anyways...

It's not about performance figures... The 2002's and early 911's were hardly powerhouses... But what they lacked in hp they more than made up for in being lightweight... and you could throw those cars around corners.

It's not about 1/4 mile times, it's about driving dynamics...

I'm not really interested in the 135... I am considering the 128 because I had hoped it would be a cheap, lightweight, rwd vehicle... With lightweight crossed off the list, I'm hoping that pricing will be attractive... At least I know the 1-series will be rwd, but 1 out of 3 ain't gonna cut for me... 2 out of 3 might tho'. Hopefully I won't be as disappointed with pricing as I am with the weight.
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      08-02-2007, 01:43 PM   #79
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I wonder what options will be available in the US? For example, I'd love to get the Monaco Blue or Anthracite Network cloth interior and the full-on nav / iDrive delete option...

And is anyone else hoping that it'll be possible in 2-3 years to get an aftermarket Quaife LSD for the 1-series?
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      08-02-2007, 02:46 PM   #80
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And is anyone else hoping that it'll be possible in 2-3 years to get an aftermarket Quaife LSD for the 1-series?
Won't take that long - already one for 335i and they use the same diff, afaik. Cost is $1,595 + install. Clutch type units are better for track but much pricier. Can get them at www.turnermotorsports.com
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      08-02-2007, 04:24 PM   #81
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The only issue I see with an aftermarket LSD diff is the bit regarding the 'double helical ball bearing' gears in the diff that promote lower temps and less gear lube subsequently. That's hidden somewhere in the press release. If that's the same diff as the 335i - then Quaife it is!!
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      08-02-2007, 07:32 PM   #82
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Won't take that long - already one for 335i and they use the same diff, afaik. Cost is $1,595 + install. Clutch type units are better for track but much pricier. Can get them at www.turnermotorsports.com
How are clutches better than gear types? Plus, in the rest of the automotive world it has been my experience that clutch types were cheaper. Why is it different here?
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