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moff · 04-22-2008, 02:30 PM

Which one shall I get?

Helene is a straight swap for the stock filter, but provides about 5-10bhp increase?

Or

The BMS filter which requires the removal of the stock setup, provides slight bhp increases but emphasises the turbo spool / noise and dump valve.

I think I want the noise...

Anyone got any experience of either - pro's and con's?

Favouring the BMS route, but worried about potential issues?

M3_Dust · 04-22-2008, 03:06 PM

if you love heatsoak and power loss and want to hear the sound of the intake more, get the BMS

if you love efficiency of both flow and filtering and hate heat soak and power loss, get the Helene/Streamline filter

Red135 · 04-22-2008, 03:08 PM

I ordered the Streamline.

JohnnyTT · 04-22-2008, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3_Dust

if you love heatsoak and power loss and want to hear the sound of the intake more, get the BMS

if you love efficiency of both flow and filtering and hate heat soak and power loss, get the Helene/Streamline filter

Hahaha!!! Awesome answer.

ZERO sarcasm detected.

Tuned1M · 04-22-2008, 03:41 PM

I'm afraid our harsh winters could be an issue with the unprotected BMS so I'll most likely go with the Streamline. If I lived in a warmer climate I'd get the BMS.

mtla4 · 04-22-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuned1

I'm afraid our harsh winters could be an issue with the unprotected BMS so I'll most likely go with the Streamline. If I lived in a warmer climate I'd get the BMS.

Dont worry about the winter. We have like the baddest winter in America. I used to run a CAI in my inner fender.Car was slammed also.Tons of people do it around here. Plus the BMW is on top of the engine.

denial · 04-22-2008, 04:40 PM

just curious, but what are people's opinion of the foam ITG filters, especially compared to the Helene SE's?

curtdragon · 04-22-2008, 04:44 PM

to be honest a drop in filter is a waste of money, most drop in filters are
as for the BMS filter subject to heat soak, I dont know if that is a good point as the intake temperatures have been tested before and after and there is no change.
As for power, the gains that either gets is minute, the gains of 5HP is something that can be had doing consecutive dyno runs on a car without changing anything

The best thing to do is wait for a nice CAI

Red135 · 04-22-2008, 05:24 PM

I don't believe that drop in filters are a waste of money. The Streamline filter shows the same gains on the dyno as the BMS (at least in 335's). The BMS shows the same IAT's as a CAI. So they are mostly similar.

Tuned1M · 04-22-2008, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtla4

Dont worry about the winter. We have like the baddest winter in America. I used to run a CAI in my inner fender.Car was slammed also.Tons of people do it around here. Plus the BMW is on top of the engine.

Thanks for the insight.

Alext · 04-23-2008, 05:00 AM

I put on a CAI on my '01 turbo Miata (was a custom made carbonfibre one) and it really made a noticeable difference over the previous intake which was an exposed K&N in the engine bay.

1ForAll · 04-23-2008, 09:15 AM

order the gruppe M CAI....

moff · 04-23-2008, 10:07 AM

I have read the threads on E90 post regarding bhp gains on both the Helene and BMS, but not sure why people would say they cause power loss - can you explain further M3 Dust?

To be honest, I am more interested in the noise, and low cost nice noise is attractive! The ideal solution would be the BMW Performance Intake with the BMW Performance Exhaust! But I can imagine that combo being quite expensive!

mtla4 · 04-23-2008, 10:59 AM

You wont have any noise with a panel filter(I dont believe in those gains personally) Ive used them for replacement. With an intake (SRI ,CAI) youll hear the pshhhiiittt sound if thats what you want.

eunosracr · 04-23-2008, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtla4

You wont have any noise with a panel filter(I dont believe in those gains personally) Ive used them for replacement. With an intake (SRI ,CAI) youll hear the pshhhiiittt sound if thats what you want.

I had stock, BMC and BMS filters. BMS by far is the best. No power loss and sounds menacing as hell

mtla4 · 04-23-2008, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eunosracr

I had stock, BMC and BMS filters. BMS by far is the best. No power loss and sounds menacing as hell

BMS looks great bang for the buck why not.

professor · 04-24-2008, 10:12 PM

so i guess the k&n filter is not in the running as a viable alternative?

blacknbean · 04-24-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by professor

so i guess the k&n filter is not in the running as a viable alternative?

heres a good thread on the Helene vs K&N vs Stock http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132028

id say the Helene filter is about as good as your gunna get if you wanna go the drop in route

curtdragon · 04-24-2008, 10:32 PM

food for thought
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132028
also look at the full curve not just peak gains

F0Bman · 04-25-2008, 06:38 PM

Go for BMS or stock, or wait when M-Sport comes out with some offerings.

ansun · 04-25-2008, 07:45 PM

Wait out for the RISS RACING intake. IMO. Trust me.

denial · 04-26-2008, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blacknbean

heres a good thread on the Helene vs K&N vs Stock http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132028

id say the Helene filter is about as good as your gunna get if you wanna go the drop in route

I asked this earlier but just want to throw it out there again. What about the ITG filter?

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7463

04-22-2008, 02:30 PM	#1
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04-22-2008, 03:06 PM	#2
M3_Dust Michelin Man Drives: Montego/Terra 135i Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on forums Posts: 621 iTrader: (0)	if you love heatsoak and power loss and want to hear the sound of the intake more, get the BMS if you love efficiency of both flow and filtering and hate heat soak and power loss, get the Helene/Streamline filter __________________ www.azbmw.org www.azeuropeans.com

04-23-2008, 09:15 AM	#12
1ForAll Lieutenant Colonel Drives: E92 Join Date: May 2008 Location: 305 Posts: 1,977 iTrader: (4) Garage List 2007 OSS Designs 335 [4.59] 2007 BMW 335i [4.64] 2007 BMW 335i [3.80]	order the gruppe M CAI.... __________________ "Go with Ray's. His e92 is God." - mashimarho

04-23-2008, 10:07 AM	#13
moff Captain Drives: 135i M Sport AW / Coral Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Nottingham GB Posts: 666 iTrader: (0)	I have read the threads on E90 post regarding bhp gains on both the Helene and BMS, but not sure why people would say they cause power loss - can you explain further M3 Dust? To be honest, I am more interested in the noise, and low cost nice noise is attractive! The ideal solution would be the BMW Performance Intake with the BMW Performance Exhaust! But I can imagine that combo being quite expensive! __________________ Born 30/04/10: MY10 135i M Convertible, AW, Coral Red, Logic 7, Elec Mirrors, Ipod USB, Xenon's, Heated Seats, Wind Deflector, BMS DCI, JB+, BMW Performance: Exhaust, SSK, Handbrake, Pedals and Shadowline grills Gone! MY08 135i M Coupe, AW, Coral Red, Logic 7, Xenon's, Darkened Glass, Ipod USB

04-25-2008, 06:38 PM	#20
F0Bman First Lieutenant Drives: Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 309 iTrader: (0)	Go for BMS or stock, or wait when M-Sport comes out with some offerings. __________________ Fully Restored 1985 Corolla GT-S 1987 328ci SR20DET Drift Car 1989 Honda Civic Si-R Current Project 2002 Corolla CE Daily Driver www.TheTunerSource.com

04-22-2008, 03:08 PM	#3
Red135 La Flama Blanca Drives: 1-series Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Abq, NM Posts: 1,546 iTrader: (1)	I ordered the Streamline.

04-22-2008, 03:41 PM	#5
Tuned1M Brigadier General Drives: ANAW1M Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 3,140 iTrader: (1)	I'm afraid our harsh winters could be an issue with the unprotected BMS so I'll most likely go with the Streamline. If I lived in a warmer climate I'd get the BMS.

04-22-2008, 04:40 PM	#7
denial Second Lieutenant Drives: 135i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 249 iTrader: (0)	just curious, but what are people's opinion of the foam ITG filters, especially compared to the Helene SE's?

04-22-2008, 04:44 PM	#8
curtdragon Second Lieutenant Drives: Infiniti Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 295 iTrader: (0)	to be honest a drop in filter is a waste of money, most drop in filters are as for the BMS filter subject to heat soak, I dont know if that is a good point as the intake temperatures have been tested before and after and there is no change. As for power, the gains that either gets is minute, the gains of 5HP is something that can be had doing consecutive dyno runs on a car without changing anything The best thing to do is wait for a nice CAI

04-22-2008, 05:24 PM	#9
Red135 La Flama Blanca Drives: 1-series Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Abq, NM Posts: 1,546 iTrader: (1)	I don't believe that drop in filters are a waste of money. The Streamline filter shows the same gains on the dyno as the BMS (at least in 335's). The BMS shows the same IAT's as a CAI. So they are mostly similar.

04-23-2008, 05:00 AM	#11
Alext Lieutenant Colonel Drives: B M W Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Everest Posts: 1,898 iTrader: (2)	I put on a CAI on my '01 turbo Miata (was a custom made carbonfibre one) and it really made a noticeable difference over the previous intake which was an exposed K&N in the engine bay.

04-23-2008, 10:59 AM	#14
mtla4 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: Turbo Festiva Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,711 iTrader: (2)	You wont have any noise with a panel filter(I dont believe in those gains personally) Ive used them for replacement. With an intake (SRI ,CAI) youll hear the pshhhiiittt sound if thats what you want.

04-24-2008, 10:12 PM	#17
professor Major Drives: Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,472 iTrader: (0)	so i guess the k&n filter is not in the running as a viable alternative?

04-24-2008, 10:32 PM	#19
curtdragon Second Lieutenant Drives: Infiniti Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 295 iTrader: (0)	food for thought http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132028 also look at the full curve not just peak gains

04-25-2008, 07:45 PM	#21
ansun First Lieutenant Drives: X5 4.8i 135i Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 375 iTrader: (0)	Wait out for the RISS RACING intake. IMO. Trust me.

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