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Raflekt · 01-28-2009, 01:38 AM

Hello all, less blabla and lets go to the numbers

3 runs

BEST NUMBERS:

ENGINE POWER: 298 HP @ 5155 RPM
RWHP: 274.6 HP

TORQUE: 322.2 LBS FT

TEMP: 30 GRADES C, = HOT!

This week I receive jJB3 V.1.2, DDV FORGE, AND OIL COOLER KIT

Salud!!

Addict...Nah Im A Junkie! · 01-28-2009, 01:43 AM

You gonna test again after you put all those nice goodies on your car??

Raflekt · 01-28-2009, 01:56 AM

For sure!!! I will keep you informed about any mods, after I think im going to FMIC code 3 and DP´s CP-E ( available soon )

regards

Surname · 01-28-2009, 04:47 AM

As your engine will be modded this thread has been moved to the N54 mod category.

Have fun with that monster.

Addict...Nah Im A Junkie! · 01-28-2009, 11:07 AM

Can't wait to see the after dyno. Thanks for the info!!!

Johnnyr135 · 01-28-2009, 11:51 AM

Nice numbers you should give Anthony and Adam a call at Riss and get a hard pipe for your DV's you cannot go wrong with there DP's either

Good luck with the modding and welcome to the club.

boostin · 01-28-2009, 12:47 PM

that's a little bit odd for a dyno run. if the engine was measured at 298bhp, and you put down 274whp (to the wheels), that is only a 7% drivetrain loss. any ideas on why? usually there's a 17% drivetrain loss on rwd.

Raflekt · 01-28-2009, 01:01 PM

I also made the dyno run for my RENAULT MRS turbo It has 225 hp, to the wheels deliver 192 hp max , its fwd

regards

mkPOTO · 01-28-2009, 02:01 PM

subscribed to see what you put down with your upcoming parts

Brandon26pdx · 01-28-2009, 06:17 PM

That's cool. What part of Mexico City is that shop in?

miro2296 · 01-28-2009, 06:20 PM

googled the address (parroquia 217-a, Col Del Valle, Mexico DF) and it seems to be on the south side of the city.

Raflekt · 01-28-2009, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon26pdx

That's cool. What part of Mexico City is that shop in?

THATS RIGHT THEIR WEB IS:

www.delriopower.com

very respected tuning shop

Riss Racing · 01-28-2009, 08:59 PM

Very cool! Looking forward too your mod results...

Wraith · 01-28-2009, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostin

that's a little bit odd for a dyno run. if the engine was measured at 298bhp, and you put down 274whp (to the wheels), that is only a 7% drivetrain loss. any ideas on why? usually there's a 17% drivetrain loss on rwd.

+ 1

Exactly what I was thinking and exactly the question I wanted to ask also

The engine power readout of 298bhp sounds about right, the power figure at the wheels is definitely dodgy (201kw atw stock from 219kw at the engine) highly doubtful...

boostin · 01-29-2009, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wraith

+ 1

Exactly what I was thinking and exactly the question I wanted to ask also

The engine power readout of 298bhp sounds about right, the power figure at the wheels is definitely dodgy (201kw atw stock from 219kw at the engine) highly doubtful...

sounds like the OP's dyno isn't calibrated correctly, or it reads extremely high for some reason?

whiplash · 01-29-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raflekt

I also made the dyno run for my RENAULT MRS turbo It has 225 hp, to the wheels deliver 192 hp max , its fwd

regards

Those numbers make sense, 225 at the crank and 192 at the wheels is about a 15% loss but only 7% loss on the 135 just doesn't sound right.

acs1.35i · 01-30-2009, 03:30 AM

The 300 bhp could be correct, although low. The 275 rwhp cannot be possible with 300 bhp crank. It should be arround 245 rwhp.

17% is way to optimistic. lol. Even though you cannot calculate with such rough estimations, but if you do so, do calculate with at least 22% loss (up to 25% is more realistic) for a rwd. Even a BMW. lol.

have fun!

ACS1.35i

boostin · 01-30-2009, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acs1.35i

The 300 bhp could be correct, although low. The 275 rwhp cannot be possible with 300 bhp crank. It should be arround 245 rwhp.

17% is way to optimistic. lol. Even though you cannot calculate with such rough estimations, but if you do so, do calculate with at least 22% loss (up to 25% is more realistic) for a rwd. Even a BMW. lol.

have fun!

ACS1.35i

in my experience, i've found that drivetrain loss usually works out like this:

FWD - 15% loss: (bhp * .85)
RWD - 17% loss: (bhp * .83)
AWD - 20% loss: (bhp * .80)

example: my S2000 has 240bhp. so, (240 * .83 = 199.2whp); 200whp is what most stock S2000's put down.
also, the pre-08 sti's would usually make around 235-240whp; (300 * .80 = 240whp)

just the guidelines that i follow

acs1.35i · 01-30-2009, 03:55 PM

Hi Boostin,

Thanks for your all the details. This is all to optistic, and, ofcourse these figures - not official - of drivetain losses in % we all know. But they have never been confirmed by any offcial institute. Besides that those numbers do not represent the actual power-loss, therefor these estimatoins are to rough for all cars, they are to low: according to what the Ac Schnitzer / BMW-Rennsport informed me about. So every % we mention is not correct. And beside this all, dyno's are tuningdevises, not - independend and objective - instruments for reliable BHP information.

But if people want to calculate with those numbers, be happy and do so!

Have fun
ACS1.35i

Gill@Tirerack.com · 02-06-2009, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostin

sounds like the OP's dyno isn't calibrated correctly, or it reads extremely high for some reason?

...or BMW understated the HP

boostin · 02-08-2009, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill@Tirerack.com

...or BMW understated the HP

its not the horsepower figure i'm doubting, its the drivetrain loss. only 7% drivetrain loss? thats like, unheard of...

acs1.35 - if you're using the dyno just as a tuning tool thats fine. but it doesn't look accurate at measuring horsepower

01-28-2009, 01:38 AM	#1
Raflekt First Lieutenant Drives: 2009 AW 135i fully loaded Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mexico Posts: 354 iTrader: (0)	My 135i 2009 stock @ dyno Hello all, less blabla and lets go to the numbers 3 runs BEST NUMBERS: ENGINE POWER: 298 HP @ 5155 RPM RWHP: 274.6 HP TORQUE: 322.2 LBS FT TEMP: 30 GRADES C, = HOT! This week I receive jJB3 V.1.2, DDV FORGE, AND OIL COOLER KIT Salud!! Attached Images __________________ 2009 AW 135i JB3 V 1.3 MAP3,CP-E CATLESS DPS,OIL COOLER KIT,FORGE DVV,BMW PERFORMANCE STICKER,BMW PERFORMANCE SIDE SKIRTS AND BMW P . PEDALS, BMW PERFORMANCE SPOILER , BMW PERFOMANCE KIDNEY GRILLS, CODE 3 IC Last edited by Raflekt; 01-28-2009 at 01:42 AM. Reason: files

01-28-2009, 01:43 AM	#2
Addict...Nah Im A Junkie! Captain Drives: 09 135i, 98 M rdstr Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: right here baby Posts: 734 iTrader: (0)	You gonna test again after you put all those nice goodies on your car?? __________________ '09 135i 6MT : Space Grey/Black ette : Cold Weather Package : Sport Package : Glacier Silver Aluminum Trim : iPod and USB : Nav : HD radio : Premium hi-fi system

01-28-2009, 01:56 AM	#3
Raflekt First Lieutenant Drives: 2009 AW 135i fully loaded Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mexico Posts: 354 iTrader: (0)	For sure!!! I will keep you informed about any mods, after I think im going to FMIC code 3 and DP´s CP-E ( available soon ) regards __________________ 2009 AW 135i JB3 V 1.3 MAP3,CP-E CATLESS DPS,OIL COOLER KIT,FORGE DVV,BMW PERFORMANCE STICKER,BMW PERFORMANCE SIDE SKIRTS AND BMW P . PEDALS, BMW PERFORMANCE SPOILER , BMW PERFOMANCE KIDNEY GRILLS, CODE 3 IC

01-28-2009, 11:07 AM	#5
Addict...Nah Im A Junkie! Captain Drives: 09 135i, 98 M rdstr Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: right here baby Posts: 734 iTrader: (0)	Can't wait to see the after dyno. Thanks for the info!!! __________________ '09 135i 6MT : Space Grey/Black ette : Cold Weather Package : Sport Package : Glacier Silver Aluminum Trim : iPod and USB : Nav : HD radio : Premium hi-fi system

01-28-2009, 11:51 AM	#6
Johnnyr135 Captain Drives: BMW 135i Join Date: May 2008 Location: NY Posts: 893 iTrader: (1)	Nice numbers you should give Anthony and Adam a call at Riss and get a hard pipe for your DV's you cannot go wrong with there DP's either Good luck with the modding and welcome to the club. __________________ 2008 BMW 135i, DINAN / Riss Racing / BMS

01-28-2009, 04:47 AM	#4
Surname Resigned... Drives: ... Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: People's Republic of Oregon Posts: 2,611 iTrader: (0)	As your engine will be modded this thread has been moved to the N54 mod category. Have fun with that monster.

01-28-2009, 12:47 PM	#7
boostin First Lieutenant Drives: MY00 S2000 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CT Posts: 316 iTrader: (0)	that's a little bit odd for a dyno run. if the engine was measured at 298bhp, and you put down 274whp (to the wheels), that is only a 7% drivetrain loss. any ideas on why? usually there's a 17% drivetrain loss on rwd. __________________ MY00 S2000 #8712

01-28-2009, 01:01 PM	#8
Raflekt First Lieutenant Drives: 2009 AW 135i fully loaded Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mexico Posts: 354 iTrader: (0)	I also made the dyno run for my RENAULT MRS turbo It has 225 hp, to the wheels deliver 192 hp max , its fwd regards __________________ 2009 AW 135i JB3 V 1.3 MAP3,CP-E CATLESS DPS,OIL COOLER KIT,FORGE DVV,BMW PERFORMANCE STICKER,BMW PERFORMANCE SIDE SKIRTS AND BMW P . PEDALS, BMW PERFORMANCE SPOILER , BMW PERFOMANCE KIDNEY GRILLS, CODE 3 IC

01-28-2009, 02:01 PM	#9
mkPOTO Brigadier General Drives: 335i Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,341 iTrader: (11)	subscribed to see what you put down with your upcoming parts __________________ WSTO \| VS Motorsports

01-28-2009, 06:17 PM	#10
Brandon26pdx car crazy Drives: 08 350Z Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,230 iTrader: (0)	That's cool. What part of Mexico City is that shop in?

01-28-2009, 06:20 PM	#11
miro2296 Major Drives: '08 Montego Blue BMW 135i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Round Rock, TX Posts: 1,218 iTrader: (0)	googled the address (parroquia 217-a, Col Del Valle, Mexico DF) and it seems to be on the south side of the city. __________________ ------------------------------------- BMW 135i/6 Speed/Montego Blue/Formula One Ceramic Tint/Sprintbooster/Riss Racing parts/JB3 1.4/Riss Racing Plenum/19 inch Iconz 880Z(19X8.5 & 19X10)/Nitto NT555 225/35 & 265/30

01-28-2009, 08:59 PM	#13
Riss Racing Banned Drives: E60 M5/E92 335/HUMMER H2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 2,656 iTrader: (7)	Very cool! Looking forward too your mod results...

01-30-2009, 03:30 AM	#17
acs1.35i Have fun! ACS1.35i Drives: 135i Le Man Blue Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 306 iTrader: (0)	The 300 bhp could be correct, although low. The 275 rwhp cannot be possible with 300 bhp crank. It should be arround 245 rwhp. 17% is way to optimistic. lol. Even though you cannot calculate with such rough estimations, but if you do so, do calculate with at least 22% loss (up to 25% is more realistic) for a rwd. Even a BMW. lol. have fun! ACS1.35i

01-30-2009, 03:55 PM	#19
acs1.35i Have fun! ACS1.35i Drives: 135i Le Man Blue Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 306 iTrader: (0)	Hi Boostin, Thanks for your all the details. This is all to optistic, and, ofcourse these figures - not official - of drivetain losses in % we all know. But they have never been confirmed by any offcial institute. Besides that those numbers do not represent the actual power-loss, therefor these estimatoins are to rough for all cars, they are to low: according to what the Ac Schnitzer / BMW-Rennsport informed me about. So every % we mention is not correct. And beside this all, dyno's are tuningdevises, not - independend and objective - instruments for reliable BHP information. But if people want to calculate with those numbers, be happy and do so! Have fun ACS1.35i