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      06-16-2010, 08:48 AM   #67
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      06-16-2010, 09:40 AM   #68
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I'm sorry, but I'm calling complete bullshit on this one. Take a picture of your window sticker.

Oh, even the M3, which is a real M car only goes to 155.
Correct. The Sport and M-Sport package increase the top speed limiter to 155 mph.
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      06-16-2010, 10:00 AM   #69
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I'm sorry, but I'm calling complete bullshit on this one. Take a picture of your window sticker.

Oh, even the M3, which is a real M car only goes to 155.

Not entirely correct. The M3 goes up a little higher, especially with the DCT. Trust me, I test drove one and I got up to roughly 165mph.
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      06-16-2010, 11:21 AM   #70
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Not entirely correct. The M3 goes up a little higher, especially with the DCT. Trust me, I test drove one and I got up to roughly 165mph.

wow, that must have been some test drive.

But I still call bullshit on the "Full M Spec Package" that Stounj89 claims to have.
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      06-16-2010, 11:36 AM   #71
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Not entirely correct. The M3 goes up a little higher, especially with the DCT. Trust me, I test drove one and I got up to roughly 165mph.
Some of the Euro Delivery 135i drivers reported similar speeds. The speculation was that BMW speedometers read high by a few percent, so the actual 155 MPH was shown as 165 MPH. It would be interesting to see what a portable GPS would show in comparison to the spedo.
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Some of the Euro Delivery 135i drivers reported similar speeds. The speculation was that BMW speedometers read high by a few percent, so the actual 155 MPH was shown as 165 MPH. It would be interesting to see what a portable GPS would show in comparison to the spedo.
As I recall on my trip, I hit an indicated 150 mph while my Garmin GPS showed 144 instead.
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      06-16-2010, 01:10 PM   #73
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As I recall on my trip, I hit an indicated 150 mph while my Garmin GPS showed 144 instead.
this is true. Its a sliding scale... The faster you are going, the greater the difference between speedometer speed and actual speed. That's why you need a gtech to get a handle on your 0-60.
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      06-16-2010, 01:17 PM   #74
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I'm sorry, but I'm calling complete bullshit on this one. Take a picture of your window sticker.

Oh, even the M3, which is a real M car only goes to 155.
Ditto. When I ordered my 1, my sales guy was extremely cool. He printed out the dealer ordering guide (covered with CONFIDENTIAL watermarks) and it makes no mention of an "M-Spec" package.
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wow, that must have been some test drive.

But I still call bullshit on the "Full M Spec Package" that Stounj89 claims to have.
sure was. It was scary though(Not as scary as goin 266kmh on a motorcycle at midnight lol). The car had the Competition Pkg, the suspension was set to all stiff and on bumps it move like crazy.
Check the M3 forum, I know the DCT lets you drive faster than the manual due to the 7th gear.
But I dont wanna get off topic.
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FJUNO78... Sounds Like you are a little too attached to your 3.... My wording might have been a little off but they increase the top speed on the 1 M-spec... If you buy that package...
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m sport/sport package increases top speed from 131 to 149 mph per bmw usa.

Not 155 or anything higher



Top speed1
131 [149] mph

1. Top speed limited electronically.
Figures in [ ] apply to vehicles with Sport Package or M Sport Package with increased top speed limiter.
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      06-16-2010, 10:46 PM   #78
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i hit 155 in my 08 335i sedan with sport and auto/tip....haven't gone about 140 in the 1 yet....for some reason i feel that my 335i sedan accelerated above 100 faster then my 135i with sport and manual......
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      06-17-2010, 07:58 AM   #79
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FJUNO78... Sounds Like you are a little too attached to your 3.... My wording might have been a little off but they increase the top speed on the 1 M-spec... If you buy that package...

Stout.. I don't have a 3.


All the M Sport does vs the sport package is give you a black headliner, m badges on the door jams, shadowline trim, and different style wheels.

It goes no faster or handles any differently than a car equipped with the standard sport package.

The "1M Spec Package" you speak of does not exist. BMW created a special , secret package and you are the only person who has it
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FJUNO78... Sounds Like you are a little too attached to your 3.... My wording might have been a little off but they increase the top speed on the 1 M-spec... If you buy that package...
Below is a scan of the dealer's option list (salesman's name redacted) for the 135i. There is no "M-Spec" package; only M-Sport. When the dealer said, "I'll get you full M-Spec," he was either referring to M-Sport or blowing smoke up your ass.

Ask him for the "M-Spec" package/option number and see what he gives you. I'm willing to bet it's ZMP.

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Stout.. I don't have a 3.


All the M Sport does vs the sport package is give you a black headliner, m badges on the door jams, shadowline trim, and different style wheels.

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Unless BMW's website is mistaken, the shadowline trim is included in the Sport Package as well as the M-Sport Package.
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Unless BMW's website is mistaken, the shadowline trim is included in the Sport Package as well as the M-Sport Package.
you are correct. my bad
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      06-17-2010, 11:51 AM   #83
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m sport/sport package increases top speed from 131 to 149 mph per bmw usa.

Not 155 or anything higher
I think that the German manufacturers (except Porsche) agreement is to limit cars to 250 km/h which is 155.34 M/h.
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      06-17-2010, 12:23 PM   #84
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All the M Sport does vs the sport package is give you a black headliner, m badges on the door jams, shadowline trim, and different style wheels.

It goes no faster or handles any differently than a car equipped with the standard sport package.
Hmmm...could this have changed for 2011? As I said in my previous post, the sales brochure for the 2011 specifically says that "The M Sport chassis is lowered by 0.6" for tighter handling when cornering and a more aggressive look."

So I asked Joern Esser, my salesman at Passport, who put me in touch with Roland Pintilie, Passport's Master Shop Foreman. Mr. Pintilie (an extremenly nice guy!) wrote to me to say that he researched the technical manuals for me, and that "M suspension would be 10mm lower in the front and rear, the spring ratio, shock absorbers and stabilizer bars are different parts from the regular sport package."

So it appears that, for 2011, at least, there's a difference between the Sport and M Sport suspensions. I went with M Sport.

Oh, by the way, greetings all! I just ordered a 135i convertible in Space Gray with Moonlight top and Savannah Beige interior (and EVERY SINGLE option offered!), for Euro Delivery. I go to Germany in August to drive the car.

Looking forward to getting a lot of great info from this board!

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I'm not questioning that. If that is true it applies to all M Sports.

My point was that the is no such thing as getting a 135i in "full M spec" with extra secret goodies. Regardless of what Stoutnj believes, he has the ZMP.
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Dude give me a break M-spec is what my dealer called it... (M-Sport) It means there is a lot of M parts they put on the car....

PS- FJUNO78 ur garage show a 3 u might want to update that... ... .. ..
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Dude give me a break M-spec is what my dealer called it... (M-Sport) It means there is a lot of M parts they put on the car....

PS- FJUNO78 ur garage show a 3 u might want to update that... ... .. ..
Really, the only M parts on our cars are the steering wheel and shift knob. It is not a full M suspension and is merely "tuned" by the M Division. I suppose the 261M wheels could count as well.
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sure was. It was scary though(Not as scary as goin 266kmh on a motorcycle at midnight lol). The car had the Competition Pkg, the suspension was set to all stiff and on bumps it move like crazy.
Check the M3 forum, I know the DCT lets you drive faster than the manual due to the 7th gear.
But I dont wanna get off topic.
Overdrive top gear is usually not the gear that gives the highest speed.
I'll without full committment until someone does a high speed test where 7th gear results in a higher top speed than the 6 speed manual.

If anything, a taller 7th gear compared to the 6th gear of the manual, could result in the DCT not getting to top speed.
At those speeds you need a lot of power to overcome wind resistance, and a slightly lower gear could actually help top speed.
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