Has anyone done JB3 on a brand new car.. (evil laugh)

[Timberwolf]

At what mileage did you plug n play?

I think I will actually buy the JB3 kit before getting the car if I can and don't need VIN number or what not. I don't even want to feel the stock power. She better just get used to extra ponies right off the bat.

Oh and for you conservatives. I don't believe in break in period either.
I will break her in the way I'd drive my car at 10,000 miles or 50,000.

[HPFREAK]

I did mine before 500 miles and would of done it sooner if I could. Break in periods are fine but these cars already get broken in to a degree at the factory. They are ready to be flogged when you leave the dealer.lol

[SV Concepts III]

I had downpipes, software, cat back exhaust, intake, blow off valve, wheels and coilovers on the car 1 week and 500 miles after delivery. Go big or go home

[kc_skyrider]

downpipes, blowoff valve, coilovers, tires, intake, JB3, Meth, mason strut tower bar, Stett charge pipe and a few extras ready on delivery. waited till a good break in and put it all on at 1,000mi.

[mantissss]

breakin ftw

[2thDoc]

350 miles and straight to map 5...

[Mark M]

Ummm why?

Isn't the real 'high' from modding so that you can expereience the difference?

By installing when new you never get to feel that 'high'.

Just my 2 cents....but why not spend some time getting to know your new girly before immediately taking her to the swingers club?

[BMW86]

Originally Posted by Mark M

Just my 2 cents....but why not spend some time getting to know your new girly before immediately taking her to the swingers club?

[Lester]

Originally Posted by Brad@PSI MOTORS

I did mine before 500 miles and would of done it sooner if I could. Break in periods are fine but these cars already get broken in to a degree at the factory. They are ready to be flogged when you leave the dealer.lol

They are driven from the end of the QA assembly right onto the truck which takes them to next destination. There is no factory engine break in. Follow the manual recommended break in period.

[JohnL135I]

I say Plug N play when your ready. I would change the oil after 1000 miles, but thats just me.

I would also invest in a BT scan tool, this is a must have item.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

I would recommend, and I recommend this to all my customers with new cars is to wait 1500-2000 miles, change the oil (dealer won't do this so you have to do it yourself) and then start modding.

You can buy the JB3 or other tune early and just run it on a conservative map, like map1 for the JB3. The cars do come broken in from the factory to some degree but it is always a good idea to go easy right off the bat in case something is off. If you really want to install fast go for a nice long scenic drive LOL

Mike

[escobar929]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I would recommend, and I recommend this to all my customers with new cars is to wait 1500-2000 miles, change the oil (dealer won't do this so you have to do it yourself) and then start modding.

You can buy the JB3 or other tune early and just run it on a conservative map, like map1 for the JB3. The cars do come broken in from the factory to some degree but it is always a good idea to go easy right off the bat in case something is off. If you really want to install fast go for a nice long scenic drive LOL

Mike

good advice

IMO, i dont wanna maximize the potential of the car as soon as i get it, cause i plan on having this car for the next 4/5 years, dont wanna be bored down the line, so ill wait a couple of months getting to know the car and get a good feel for how it drives stock, then its balls to the wall

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by Brad@PSI MOTORS

these cars already get broken in to a degree at the factory. They are ready to be flogged when you leave the dealer.lol

This is completely false. The engine doesn't have but a few minutes more run time on it than whatever mileage is on the car when you pick it up. There is ZERO factory break in time on mass produced engines. They get spin tested for about 20 seconds to check for vibration and some other things, but the first time they're fired up is when they leave the end of the assembly line, and from there they're driven to the staging area, where they sit until they're shipped.

When you pick your car up at the dealership, it's got about 15 minutes of run time on the engine, plus whatever mileage is on the car. In my case, my car had 2 miles on it when I pressed the start button for the first time.

Doing a break in is a good idea.

[HPFREAK]

Originally Posted by Lester

They are driven from the end of the QA assembly right onto the truck which takes them to next destination. There is no factory engine break in. Follow the manual recommended break in period.

I was told at the dealer and by my tech that they run them in on a dyno before leaving the factory to make sure they are operating properly and can be used to fullest potential right away.

I NEVER HAVE ONCE FOLLOWED A "BREAK IN" GUIDELINE ON ANY OF MY PERFORMANCE CARS I HAVE HAD AND NEVER HAD ONE ISSUE WITH OIL CONSUMPTION OR ANY OTHER ISSUES. TODAYS MODERN ENGINES ARE NOT THAT DELICATE. THE PISTON RINGS USED A LONG TIME AGO REQUIRED A BREAK IN BECAUSE OF THE LOW QUALITY METAL USED BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE ANY LONGER WITH ADVANCES IN METALLURGY AND OIL BLENDS. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO TREAT YOUR CARS GINGERLY FOR MORE THAN A 1000 MILES THAT IS FINE IT IS YOUR CHOICE BUT YOU ARE NOT GUARANTEEING ANY MORE LONGEVITY FROM YOUR MOTOR.

[Timberwolf]

I will drive the car as I do normally. Torquey cars dont need to be revved anyway. It will also get oil service as needed, but if I plan on boosting the car with software, it may as well get used to it.

Ummm why?

Isn't the real 'high' from modding so that you can experience the difference?

By installing when new you never get to feel that 'high'.

Just my 2 cents....but why not spend some time getting to know your new girly before immediately taking her to the swingers club?

Well she and I dated (test drives and loaners) and she requested a little "shocker" action...

When I tested the car for the 3rd time, my wife and I were so unimpressed with the cars power that everyone was nuts about, that I crossed it off the list. It wasn't till I drove a friends car with basic mods that I got interested again.

I am also spoiled when it comes to power. No question. Shelby GT500, Z06 and Porsche Turbo have really upped the prerequisites. So JB3 it is...

[InsaneSkippy]

Originally Posted by Brad@PSI MOTORS

I was told at the dealer and by my tech that they run them in on a dyno before leaving the factory to make sure they are operating properly and can be used to fullest potential right away.

I've done tours of both the Munich and Spartanburg plants. The cars are driven less than a mile during production. They're only on the dyno for a brief time (maybe 2-3 minutes max.)

One run on the dyno isn't really what'd I'd call a break in..



To the OP,

I think you'll get more out of it if you drive your car stock, and then once you crave more power, you can notice the difference the JB3 makes. Otherwise you're just going to get used to the car + JB3 at the same time, and it will likely not be as fun.

[HPFREAK]

Originally Posted by InsaneSkippy

I've done tours of both the Munich and Spartanburg plants. The cars are driven less than a mile during production. They're only on the dyno for a brief time (maybe 2-3 minutes max.)

One run on the dyno isn't really what'd I'd call a break in..

Well like I said that is what I was told, so they lied, but again the break in period is pointless when I see many of them being driven hard from day one and the dealers never told me to take it easy because they are not broken in yet. It is waste of time to be honest. Whatever floats your boat though. It will not give you more life out of your engine. I say drive it hard right away to see if it is a lemon or not.lol My friend has an M6 and he was beating on that thing from day one and it has 35k on it with zero issue. It is all a luck of the draw.

[2thDoc]

I dunno - this car is pretty fun without the JB3, but it's gonna make you go - "holy crap" the first few times you come up on full boost with the JB3. FWIW, I didn't redline mine until after about 600 miles...but, that was with the JB3 in place. It makes everyday driving much nicer - more torquey feeling and really less need to hammer the throttle to the red every shift. And, I'd agree with Brad - these things don't need the babied break-in with modern metallurgy...be gentle for a while then run the snot out of it. If you think you have to wait for 2000+ miles of wussy driving, you're being silly...

[Timberwolf]

Originally Posted by 2thDoc

I dunno - this car is pretty fun without the JB3, but it's gonna make you go - "holy crap" the first few times you come up on full boost with the JB3. FWIW, I didn't redline mine until after about 600 miles...but, that was with the JB3 in place. It makes everyday driving much nicer - more torquey feeling and really less need to hammer the throttle to the red every shift. And, I'd agree with Brad - these things don't need the babied break-in with modern metallurgy...be gentle for a while then run the snot out of it. If you think you have to wait for 2000+ miles of wussy driving, you're being silly...

Well said.
I'm the kind of car guy that worked his ass off to afford the coolest cars he could manage without being foolish. A couple rides that got me spoiled:




http://video.google.com/videosearch?...&hl=en&tab=wv#

This is why stock sorta bores me. I like that little extra something. To me the car with a downpipe, tune and an inake like dinan's will be ideal to satisfy power needs. Then its coils on all four corners.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by Brad@PSI MOTORS

I was told at the dealer and by my tech that they run them in on a dyno before leaving the factory to make sure they are operating properly and can be used to fullest potential right away.

Only VERY low volume engines are dyno tested at the factory. A typical production line like the one our cars comes off of produces a car about every 45-75 seconds. Imagine how many dynos and operators you'd have to have to get the engine in place, hooked up, warmed up, tested at full power, unhooked, and out the door every 60 seconds.

Your dealer was just wrong. On mass produced engines (which the N54 certainly is) the first time they're fired up is when the car rolls off the end of the line.

When it comes to advice on breaking in an engine, I'll listen to the people who design and build engines for a living , instead of a vendor on a forum, or a salemen at a dealership.

Is it really worth taking a chance on reducing engine life just so you can throw a tune on the car a couple of weeks sooner in spite of all common sense tellling you otherwise? Not to me it isn't.

[Timberwolf]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

Is it really worth taking a chance on reducing engine life just so you can throw a tune on the car a couple of weeks sooner in spite of all common sense tellling you otherwise? Not to me it isn't.

I have babied SO many cars and been so gentle, and the only thing it's brought me is grief. At this point automobiles are no longer built the way they were. Shorter and shorter life spans.
I have evolved selfishly into being the end consumer. What happens beyond me is not my concern. I've sold too many 'mint' cars that now.. It's enjoyment time! Hate me if you will.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by Timberwolf

I have babied SO many cars and been so gentle, and the only thing it's brought me is grief. At this point automobiles are no longer built the way they were. Shorter and shorter life spans.
I have evolved selfishly into being the end consumer. What happens beyond me is not my concern. I've sold too many 'mint' cars that now.. It's enjoyment time! Hate me if you will.

I don't hate you. It's your car, and you can absolutely do whatever you want with it. You asked for an opinion, and I'm just giving you mine.

It's pretty unlikely an easy break-in on your previous cars was the root of your problems. It was more likely manufacturing defects that would have happened no matter what you did. That said, modern cars last worlds longer than they did even 20 years ago. They don't build them like they used to, they build them better.

These engines aren't broken in from the factory, and even modern engines need a little time to develop wear patterns. It's not like the car is a dog when it's stock, and waiting 1000 miles is going to kill you. Hell I made it a point to put 1000 miles on my car the week I bought it, because I was doing a road trip the following weekend, and didn't want to run it at constant RPM for 8 hours straight while it was brand new. It wasn't a painful experience at all.

Get it out and drive the hell out of it for a week, then slap the tune on it. It might just save you losing the car to the dealership for warranty work.