New Z4 sdrive35is and effect on N54 in 1 series? - BMW 1 Series Coupe Forum / 1 Series Convertible Forum (1M / tii / 135i / 128i / Coupe / Cabrio / Hatchback) (BMW E82 E88 128i 130i 135i)

elciddragon · 12-13-2009, 11:22 AM

Do you guys think that the engine upgrades added to the new Z4 to be introduced as a 2011 model will be available for the 135i? The overboost feature seems pretty cool, and it seems to be an increase over the BMW Performance upgrade for the N54 engine.

Here is a link to the edmunds story: http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...show.html#more

Also available on the splash page on this site.

I am just surprised that they would be increasing the power on the N54 to such an extent when they are supposedly introducing the N55 into several lines including the 1 next April according to some of the speculation/confirmed accounts from dealers?

emtrey · 12-13-2009, 11:38 AM

If the life cycle of the current 1 series is extended beyond 2012, I would not be surprised to see an engine upgrade. Unless emissions are an issue, I would imagine it would be off the N54 framework.

My lease is up in 2012...I am very curious to know what I will be repalcing my current 135 with. Don't really need an M as a DD but a lighter , incrementally more powerful 135 would be fine with me. I am sure the n55 will be a great engine but (HPFP issues aside)
is a smooth, powerful engine for my driving needs.

PS..I don't think the dealers know anymore than we do and more often than not--alot LESS.
I had to thell my dealer about the bearing problems when I had my 2002 M-3..they did not even know BMW had opted to replace bearings and extend the engine warranty.

BForbes · 12-13-2009, 11:41 AM

I'm thinking the SuperSport of the current generation would get the same engine treatment. If the 3 series wont get this, the 1 will not get it either.

amdmaxx · 12-13-2009, 01:29 PM

e92 LCI coupe will get this in 2-3 months... 99%...

BForbes · 12-13-2009, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amdmaxx

e92 LCI coupe will get this in 2-3 months... 99%...

Hmm.....you sound sure of yourself.

amdmaxx · 12-13-2009, 05:21 PM

There is an announcement on front page of 2011 Z, M3 and 335is (hint hint)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BForbes

Hmm.....you sound sure of yourself.

chris719 · 12-13-2009, 10:50 PM

How does this fit in with the rumored N55 changeover? Why would they continue to use N54 in a new model...

scs · 12-13-2009, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris719

How does this fit in with the rumored N55 changeover? Why would they continue to use N54 in a new model...

maybe more power can come out of the n54 with map changes than that of the n55...

chris719 · 12-14-2009, 12:38 AM

Very expensive proposition to keep two engines in production for one trim level of an already niche model.

escobar929 · 12-14-2009, 09:38 AM

i dont see them keeping the N54 around for much longer

arrutled · 12-14-2009, 12:13 PM

does the Z4 sdrive35is have the same transmission as 135i?

Angry3 · 12-14-2009, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elciddragon

Do you guys think that the engine upgrades added to the new Z4 to be introduced as a 2011 model will be available for the 135i? The overboost feature seems pretty cool, and it seems to be an increase over the BMW Performance upgrade for the N54 engine.

Here is a link to the edmunds story: http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...show.html#more

Also available on the splash page on this site.

I am just surprised that they would be increasing the power on the N54 to such an extent when they are supposedly introducing the N55 into several lines including the 1 next April according to some of the speculation/confirmed accounts from dealers?

The introduction of the N55 for the early 2011 models is just speculation. The info I've seen from people who have historically been the best sources suggests that the N55 is not coming to the 135 or 335 until the new cars are launched in a couple of years. Part of the reason for that is the R&D that was done for the performance kit and being able to sell cars like this Z435is with the increased power. I expect we will see a 135is and 335is coupe in the coming months.

People can believe what they want to believe, and if they think they're going to get a 135 with the N55 engine in April I can't tell them they're wrong, but they should consider they may end up disappointed.

The Z4is is going to be a rocket, but I think it may be a tough sell if it carries a big price premium since you can get the same power out of a $300 JB+ without (IMHO) a major risk of problems. I don't think the is version really addresses the major criticisms of the new Zed, but as always the market will decide how compelling it is in the end.

Thanks for the link OP.

Angry3 · 12-14-2009, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arrutled

does the Z4 sdrive35is have the same transmission as 135i?

Nope, the Z4 has the 7 speed DCT (twin-clutch manual with computer shifting) as used in the M3. The 135 uses the ZF 6 speed automatic only.

MFIZZLENYC · 12-14-2009, 03:57 PM

Im planning on retrofitting my 135 with the DCT trans as soon as I find a crashed z4is LOL

amdmaxx · 12-14-2009, 06:30 PM

thats gonna cost you around the same price as used 135..

Tom K. · 12-15-2009, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angry3

Nope, the Z4 has the 7 speed DCT (twin-clutch manual with computer shifting) as used in the M3. The 135 uses the ZF 6 speed automatic only.

The 6 speed manual is still standard on the current Z4 3.5. The 7 sp. DCT replaces the Steptronic as an $1,575 option.

The 3.0 doesn't offer the DCT but retains the Steptronic as an $1,325 option.
Tom

KingOfJericho · 12-15-2009, 12:00 PM

If they really do change the engine in the 335 to the N55, that will mark the 3rd engine for the current generation 3-sedan. They had a year or two with the 330, then 335 N54, and now the rumored N55? That's excessive by any measure. Wouldn't it have been so much easier to just fix the effing HPFP issue?

Levi · 12-15-2009, 02:29 PM

In think if N54 stays with 306 hp it will be replaced by N55 that also has 306 hp. If not the N54 will get 326 or 340 hp, but it seems unreasonable as you can get 326 hp from BMW Performance. So I still think the 135i will also get N55. The E92 for sure, it gets its facelift (for facelift the 4.4l V8 TT will replace the 4.8l V8 NA, so X5 xDrive48i will be X5 xDrive50i). N54 will be for the 135is or M1 how they will call it. Yet remember, BMW Motorsport is working at a Z4 GT3.

BMW 120d (177 hp)----------------->BMW 120d Motorsport (245 hp)
BMW 320si (177 hp)----------------->BMW 320si Motorpsort (275 hp)
BMW Z4 M Coupé (343 hp)----------->BMW Z4 M Coupé GT3 (400 hp)
BMW Z4 E89 (306 hp)----------->BMW Z4 GT3 E89 (?????450 hp?????)

Maybe this engine in next M3 F30 or Z4 M E89 or yet M1 E87?

12-13-2009, 11:22 AM	#1
elciddragon Private First Class Drives: BMW 135i LeMans Blue Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Boston Posts: 149 iTrader: (0)	New Z4 sdrive35is and effect on N54 in 1 series? Do you guys think that the engine upgrades added to the new Z4 to be introduced as a 2011 model will be available for the 135i? The overboost feature seems pretty cool, and it seems to be an increase over the BMW Performance upgrade for the N54 engine. Here is a link to the edmunds story: http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...show.html#more Also available on the splash page on this site. I am just surprised that they would be increasing the power on the N54 to such an extent when they are supposedly introducing the N55 into several lines including the 1 next April according to some of the speculation/confirmed accounts from dealers?
	Tweet

12-13-2009, 11:41 AM	#3
BForbes Moderator Drives: BSM 135i/AW E90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 4,233 iTrader: (0)	I'm thinking the SuperSport of the current generation would get the same engine treatment. If the 3 series wont get this, the 1 will not get it either. __________________ - 04 Honda S2000(gone)

12-14-2009, 12:13 PM	#11
arrutled Colonel Drives: Olsa Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Western Mass Posts: 2,471 iTrader: (0)	does the Z4 sdrive35is have the same transmission as 135i? __________________ AW 135i w/ blackette, performance short shift kit, BMW alarm, Performance rotors, APEX ARC-8 wheels, Direzza Star Spec 235/275, Dinan stage 3 suspension, M3 wishbones/tension rods/front sway/rear subframe bushings and thats all folks!

12-14-2009, 03:57 PM	#14
MFIZZLENYC Private First Class Drives: E39S62***E82N54 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: CA/NY Posts: 117 iTrader: (0)	Im planning on retrofitting my 135 with the DCT trans as soon as I find a crashed z4is LOL __________________ 2009 135i 2000 M5 S2

12-15-2009, 12:00 PM	#17
KingOfJericho Brigadier General Drives: Yes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT Posts: 4,224 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 135i Coupe [4.50]	If they really do change the engine in the 335 to the N55, that will mark the 3rd engine for the current generation 3-sedan. They had a year or two with the 330, then 335 N54, and now the rumored N55? That's excessive by any measure. Wouldn't it have been so much easier to just fix the effing HPFP issue? __________________ The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost. 2010 S4 Current \| 2010 BMW 135i GONE \| 2008 VW GTI SOLD \| 2006 Lotus Exige SOLD

12-13-2009, 11:38 AM	#2
emtrey Captain Drives: 13 335 AW sport 06 Carrera S Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Midwest Posts: 628 iTrader: (0)	If the life cycle of the current 1 series is extended beyond 2012, I would not be surprised to see an engine upgrade. Unless emissions are an issue, I would imagine it would be off the N54 framework. My lease is up in 2012...I am very curious to know what I will be repalcing my current 135 with. Don't really need an M as a DD but a lighter , incrementally more powerful 135 would be fine with me. I am sure the n55 will be a great engine but (HPFP issues aside) is a smooth, powerful engine for my driving needs. PS..I don't think the dealers know anymore than we do and more often than not--alot LESS. I had to thell my dealer about the bearing problems when I had my 2002 M-3..they did not even know BMW had opted to replace bearings and extend the engine warranty.

12-13-2009, 01:29 PM	#4
amdmaxx My gift Registry: M1 Drives: Future Mowner of Monster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,269 iTrader: (0)	e92 LCI coupe will get this in 2-3 months... 99%...

12-13-2009, 10:50 PM	#7
chris719 Second Lieutenant Drives: '08 M Roadster Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 267 iTrader: (0)	How does this fit in with the rumored N55 changeover? Why would they continue to use N54 in a new model...

12-14-2009, 12:38 AM	#9
chris719 Second Lieutenant Drives: '08 M Roadster Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 267 iTrader: (0)	Very expensive proposition to keep two engines in production for one trim level of an already niche model.

12-14-2009, 09:38 AM	#10
escobar929 Brigadier General Drives: 135i Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Hollywood, FL Posts: 4,099 iTrader: (7) Garage List 2010 135i [3.50]	i dont see them keeping the N54 around for much longer

12-14-2009, 06:30 PM	#15
amdmaxx My gift Registry: M1 Drives: Future Mowner of Monster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,269 iTrader: (0)	thats gonna cost you around the same price as used 135..

12-15-2009, 02:29 PM	#18
Levi Colonel Drives: Alfa Romeo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,530 iTrader: (0)	In think if N54 stays with 306 hp it will be replaced by N55 that also has 306 hp. If not the N54 will get 326 or 340 hp, but it seems unreasonable as you can get 326 hp from BMW Performance. So I still think the 135i will also get N55. The E92 for sure, it gets its facelift (for facelift the 4.4l V8 TT will replace the 4.8l V8 NA, so X5 xDrive48i will be X5 xDrive50i). N54 will be for the 135is or M1 how they will call it. Yet remember, BMW Motorsport is working at a Z4 GT3. BMW 120d (177 hp)----------------->BMW 120d Motorsport (245 hp) BMW 320si (177 hp)----------------->BMW 320si Motorpsort (275 hp) BMW Z4 M Coupé (343 hp)----------->BMW Z4 M Coupé GT3 (400 hp) BMW Z4 E89 (306 hp)----------->BMW Z4 GT3 E89 (?????450 hp?????) Maybe this engine in next M3 F30 or Z4 M E89 or yet M1 E87?

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search