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BBK · 03-03-2010, 05:32 PM

Went to the Porsche dealer yesterday as my wife wants a Boxter... Porsches are crap inside, plus I will miss the torque of the BMW.

When I want to upgrade, I will have trouble finding a BMW I want. Unless they make an M1. An M3 is not for me, maybe when I'm a bit older?

6MT M3 · 03-03-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BBK

Went to the Porsche dealer yesterday as my wife wants a Boxter... Porsches are crap inside, plus I will miss the torque of the BMW.

When I want to upgrade, I will have trouble finding a BMW I want. Unless they make an M1. An M3 is not for me, maybe when I'm a bit older?

What?!? Porsche interior crap? Porsche have much higher quality interiors than BMW 1 and 3 series. Most M3 are owned by people in their late twenties and thirties.

BrokenVert · 03-03-2010, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HuangYiChao

What?!? Porsche interior crap? Porsche have much higher quality interiors than BMW 1 and 3 series. Most M3 are owned by people in their late twenties and thirties.

I think thats the way that it used to be. But the M3s price, size and options list has been pushing out of the reach of most yuppies.

This is why BMW needs to make an M1, they need to bring the young M crowd back to BMW.

bmwzone · 03-03-2010, 06:25 PM

Like I've been posting - the M1 makes no sense. Period. The Mustang GT 5.0 on the other hand is just what the doctor ordered. Actually, Black, no hood scoop, 6 speed, LSD, hardtop (no sunroof).

amdmaxx · 03-03-2010, 06:26 PM

For M1 price - GT500 Mustang.

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Originally Posted by bmwzone

Like I've been posting - the M1 makes no sense. Period. The Mustang GT 5.0 on the other hand is just what the doctor ordered. Actually, Black, no hood scoop, 6 speed, LSD, hardtop (no sunroof).

BForbes · 03-03-2010, 06:51 PM

Lets keep it On-Topic gents.

135iUSN · 03-03-2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisK

Hate to admit it, but this makes more sense (135is)

please tell me you didn't see this 135is coming.. its clear the 'is' variant is running a muck in the line up.. but that's OK. How can the 135 be 'the' M1 after such fan-fair over the original?

I don't think it will every see the light of day - unless they bring the true M1 back for some 25 year quick run limited production deal. Just my 1cent since I'm sorta new.. only 1.7 yrs driving a loving the BMW welt.

sparoz · 03-03-2010, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Primo135

I still think it's going to happen and that most of us are just overreacting to the delay. As South said, let's cross that bridge when we get there. This is a big step for ///M. They're entering a segment at a price point they've not been in (arguably ever).

Let's be patient, I'm sure they just want to get it right.

Actually they have been in the segment before with the previous incarnation of M3. The current M3 has grown into something heavier, and more expensive.

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Originally Posted by BBK

Went to the Porsche dealer yesterday as my wife wants a Boxter... Porsches are crap inside, plus I will miss the torque of the BMW.

When I want to upgrade, I will have trouble finding a BMW I want. Unless they make an M1. An M3 is not for me, maybe when I'm a bit older?

Same here, I would just have to keep my current car for longer. If you like nice interior, has she considered a Land Rover?

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Originally Posted by 135iUSN

please tell me you didn't see this 135is coming.. its clear the 'is' variant is running a muck in the line up.. but that's OK. How can the 135 be 'the' M1 after such fan-fair over the original?

I don't think it will every see the light of day - unless they bring the true M1 back for some 25 year quick run limited production deal. Just my 1cent since I'm sorta new.. only 1.7 yrs driving a loving the BMW welt.

To the people who think the M1 doesn't make sense, I think it really does. The cost of R&D should be minimal compare to a brand new model as they use pretty much existing parts. The engine they are developing will be an early incarnation of what goes into the new M3. There would be a big flood of 135i owners who would be out of the lease at that point in time that would move away as there would be another 1-2 years before the coupe comes out. Really, BMW is so good at low volume niche these days that they are not afraid to do it especially they have start to move into the modular design of their cars.

PrimoM3 · 03-04-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sparoz

Actually they have been in the segment before with the previous incarnation of M3. The current M3 has grown into something heavier, and more expensive.

I didn't mean the product segment, I meant target market and price point. The e46 ///M3 wasn't positioned for a younger audience or to be more accessible to buyers with less money like the ///M1. Yes the e92 has grown bigger and is more expensive, but it's all relevant. The e46 ///M3 was positioned no differently. It was ~$50K new in 2003.

The ///M1 will be a new segment for BMW and define (set the bar) for the industry.

michaeldorian · 03-04-2010, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremyc74

This looks to me like outright misinformation being "leaked" by BMW to prevent people from sitting on the sidelines waiting for the M1 to come out instead of buying cars now, and here's why I think so:

The test mule we've been seeing is very far along. It's got massive brakes, much larger tires, and the production bodywork is finalized or very close to it. You don't do cold weather testing in the early stages of product developement, and they have absolutely been doing cold weather testing with this mule.

That said, the idea that BMW is going to do a major upgrade to brakes and wheels, then alter the body work to make them fit is just crazy for anything short of a true //M model. It sounds to me like there have been some delays during testing, they're not as far along as they thought they would be, and they don't want the project keeping potential buyers on the sidelines for another year while they sort it out.

+1

HondaGoneRogue · 03-04-2010, 04:06 AM

+2 Sadly though, this is the only sensible evidence.

White1 · 03-04-2010, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by radiantm3

Unfortunately can't be the best with the soft suspension, runflats, and no LSD.

The best current selling Bimmer goes to the E9x M3, IMO.

+1

sparoz · 03-04-2010, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Primo135

I didn't mean the product segment, I meant target market and price point. The e46 ///M3 wasn't positioned for a younger audience or to be more accessible to buyers with less money like the ///M1. Yes the e92 has grown bigger and is more expensive, but it's all relevant. The e46 ///M3 was positioned no differently. It was ~$50K new in 2003.

The ///M1 will be a new segment for BMW and define (set the bar) for the industry.

That's interesting - over here the M3 has grown in price from $130k to $160k list price + on roads. Looking at the exchange rate now - I wish I am in the US.

Technic · 03-04-2010, 10:51 AM

I'm not surprised at all if the M1 is not coming in this 1-Series generation. Actually, I was very much surprised when it was announced.

To me, the "new" BMW-way of pricing and optional equipment was going to force the MSRP of the M1 into the $52,000+ range, more expensive than the 335is and within a couple of thousands from an E90 M3.

Even forgetting about the E90 M3 pricing, BMW just dropped a $51-$62,000 'is' bomb on the whole M Series once BMW announced the 335is and the Z4is pricing (and power levels), so everything changed for the M1 and even future M models pricing. Just 15-25hp over an 'is' model just does not cut it for me, and not for the price bracket that it would have been.

A $45,000 135is sounds like a much more reasonable model in all areas than a M1 at this point in time.

ARES45 · 03-04-2010, 12:07 PM

I definitely wouldn't pay an extra 10 grand over a base 135 for an 'is' version. For ten grand I would take my chances with the tuners. My 135 is already half way through it's warranty period anyway. I would pay ten grand more for an m version. But not for just a tuned 135 which I what an 'is' would be.

BForbes · 03-04-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ARES45

I definitely wouldn't pay an extra 10 grand over a base 135 for an 'is' version. For ten grand I would take my chances with the tuners. My 135 is already half way through it's warranty period anyway. I would pay ten grand more for an m version. But not for just a tuned 135 which I what an 'is' would be.

^This^

An M1 is still coming.

ARES45 · 03-04-2010, 12:29 PM

I hope so, I am not really in a big rush. If I get one it will be at a discount while I am deployed. Mine might si on the lot for a few months waiting for my return while the new body styles are being sold. I want to get the last one off the production line actually. I still wonder if I should just keep mine forever. It is still plenty fast and fun for my uses. Probably would be a better financial decision as well. We will see, I hope I can drive one before I order it. I am also hoping for some electronic goodies like adaptive suspension etc.

ptack · 03-04-2010, 12:39 PM

Can we close this whole sub-forum now?

I understand everyone's hopes for an uber-1, but BMW has been jerking people around since the 1s were released (Tii anyone?). Perhaps in fairness you can blame the world economy. The only way an M1 makes sense is if BMW makes room for it by pushing the M3 into a higher performance and cost bracket. At that point it comes down to dollars. How much MORE profit would BMW make selling M1s and M3s as opposed to leaving things as-is? Remember, it's not just M3 sales that could take a hit, but also 135i sales. Basically the market population for the 135i and M3 is not real big. These are low volume cars. If you add a third, tweener car to the mix, are you going to attract even more customers - enough to justify the investment? - or are you just going to eat your own? Since the bubble burst I doubt BMW is seeing thousands of extra customers looking to spend $50,000 or more on an M1 IN ADDITION to the current number of customers buying 135is, 335is and M3s.

bimmerboy · 03-04-2010, 12:45 PM

everyone is arguing that the M1 makes no sense from a marketing perspective since it would be so closely priced to the 3 series, but you guys are forgetting the implied price increase that the 3 series would receive if an M1 was released.... I can def. see an M1, but not in this current economy... Perhaps it will be released with the new 1series chasis

and 1 · 03-04-2010, 01:04 PM

can't believe i'm saying this, but in a way i'd be glad if bmw didn't actually make the m1. being 25 y/o, it's already a stretch for me to afford the 135, and the m1 would just be a carrot dangling way outta my reach

then again, that's like saying i don't like megan fox...

fml if the m1 does actually end up coming out, i'm playing the lottery every day

BrokenVert · 03-04-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by and 1

then again, that's like saying i don't like megan fox...

I dont like megan fox. I dont see why everyone drools over her.

dmboone25 · 03-04-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

I dont like megan fox. I dont see why everyone drools over her.

Really? That is almost un-American!

What about when she is "working" on Bumblebee's engine in the first Transformers? lol....she looks pretty good there.....

03-03-2010, 06:51 PM	#72
BForbes Moderator Drives: BSM 135i/AW E90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 4,233 iTrader: (0)	Lets keep it On-Topic gents. __________________ - 04 Honda S2000(gone)

03-04-2010, 04:06 AM	#77
HondaGoneRogue They like my Swag... Drives: 08 AW 135i Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 3,471 iTrader: (4) Garage List 2008 135i [4.33]	+2 Sadly though, this is the only sensible evidence. __________________ 2008 AW 135i, Whats a mod?

03-04-2010, 12:07 PM	#81
ARES45 Major Drives: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,002 iTrader: (0)	I definitely wouldn't pay an extra 10 grand over a base 135 for an 'is' version. For ten grand I would take my chances with the tuners. My 135 is already half way through it's warranty period anyway. I would pay ten grand more for an m version. But not for just a tuned 135 which I what an 'is' would be. __________________ "Don't run, you'll only die tired" ~ Gunship Pilot

03-04-2010, 12:29 PM	#83
ARES45 Major Drives: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,002 iTrader: (0)	I hope so, I am not really in a big rush. If I get one it will be at a discount while I am deployed. Mine might si on the lot for a few months waiting for my return while the new body styles are being sold. I want to get the last one off the production line actually. I still wonder if I should just keep mine forever. It is still plenty fast and fun for my uses. Probably would be a better financial decision as well. We will see, I hope I can drive one before I order it. I am also hoping for some electronic goodies like adaptive suspension etc. __________________ "Don't run, you'll only die tired" ~ Gunship Pilot

03-04-2010, 12:39 PM	#84
ptack Brigadier General Drives: 135i Join Date: May 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 4,065 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 135i [3.00]	Can we close this whole sub-forum now? I understand everyone's hopes for an uber-1, but BMW has been jerking people around since the 1s were released (Tii anyone?). Perhaps in fairness you can blame the world economy. The only way an M1 makes sense is if BMW makes room for it by pushing the M3 into a higher performance and cost bracket. At that point it comes down to dollars. How much MORE profit would BMW make selling M1s and M3s as opposed to leaving things as-is? Remember, it's not just M3 sales that could take a hit, but also 135i sales. Basically the market population for the 135i and M3 is not real big. These are low volume cars. If you add a third, tweener car to the mix, are you going to attract even more customers - enough to justify the investment? - or are you just going to eat your own? Since the bubble burst I doubt BMW is seeing thousands of extra customers looking to spend $50,000 or more on an M1 IN ADDITION to the current number of customers buying 135is, 335is and M3s. __________________ 135i, SGM, Coral, Sport Package, Auto, Premium Hifi, USB/ipod, Forgestar F14s, PPK Stage II

03-03-2010, 05:32 PM	#67
BBK Brigadier General Drives: A boring one... Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 3,053 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 135i [2.88]	Went to the Porsche dealer yesterday as my wife wants a Boxter... Porsches are crap inside, plus I will miss the torque of the BMW. When I want to upgrade, I will have trouble finding a BMW I want. Unless they make an M1. An M3 is not for me, maybe when I'm a bit older?

03-03-2010, 06:25 PM	#70
bmwzone Captain Drives: Black 5.0 (ordered), 135i Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 778 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 135i [0.00]	Like I've been posting - the M1 makes no sense. Period. The Mustang GT 5.0 on the other hand is just what the doctor ordered. Actually, Black, no hood scoop, 6 speed, LSD, hardtop (no sunroof).

03-04-2010, 10:51 AM	#80
Technic Major General Drives: 2012 E92 M3, 2010 CC Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ft Lauderdale, Florida Posts: 9,798 iTrader: (13) Garage List 2004 M3 [0.00]	I'm not surprised at all if the M1 is not coming in this 1-Series generation. Actually, I was very much surprised when it was announced. To me, the "new" BMW-way of pricing and optional equipment was going to force the MSRP of the M1 into the $52,000+ range, more expensive than the 335is and within a couple of thousands from an E90 M3. Even forgetting about the E90 M3 pricing, BMW just dropped a $51-$62,000 'is' bomb on the whole M Series once BMW announced the 335is and the Z4is pricing (and power levels), so everything changed for the M1 and even future M models pricing. Just 15-25hp over an 'is' model just does not cut it for me, and not for the price bracket that it would have been. A $45,000 135is sounds like a much more reasonable model in all areas than a M1 at this point in time.

03-04-2010, 12:45 PM	#85
bimmerboy Captain Drives: 135i Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bay Area Posts: 601 iTrader: (0)	everyone is arguing that the M1 makes no sense from a marketing perspective since it would be so closely priced to the 3 series, but you guys are forgetting the implied price increase that the 3 series would receive if an M1 was released.... I can def. see an M1, but not in this current economy... Perhaps it will be released with the new 1series chasis __________________ *--2009 BSM 135i--* -Manual, Sport Package, BMW Assist

03-04-2010, 01:04 PM	#86
and 1 winter mode Drives: 08 135i, 88 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 2,058 iTrader: (0) Garage List 1988 BMW M3 [0.00] 2008 135i [3.75]	can't believe i'm saying this, but in a way i'd be glad if bmw didn't actually make the m1. being 25 y/o, it's already a stretch for me to afford the 135, and the m1 would just be a carrot dangling way outta my reach then again, that's like saying i don't like megan fox... fml if the m1 does actually end up coming out, i'm playing the lottery every day __________________ 88 M3: BMWCCA J Sport 08 135: because streetcar

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