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      01-30-2014, 07:08 PM   #1
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Tyres - Thoughts on replacing Michelin PSS

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Firstly - Although this is a tyre based topic, I've posted in the Aus section to obtain feedback on tyres here in Australia based on our market, conditions, pricing etc.

I need to change the rears on a 135, currently fitted with Michelin PSS.
These were a fantastic tyre however I cannot justify the price tag for such a small amount of usage; 7,000km I achieved from the current set. I don't drive like an idiot - burnouts etc. but do drive 'spiritedly'.

I am therefore looking for tyres that I can get some more mileage from and aren't too expensive but are still a good grippy item. The car is street only no motorsport.

Presently I'm steering towards Falken FK453s; has anyone used these? I didn't have much joy searching for topics on these particular tyres on this site...
I can get rears fitted for $320 each.

What other avenues have you gone down and at what cost?
Are there any others to consider?
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AD08s, they've lasted me 20000+kms so far and still going strong! Maybe I don't drive 'spiritedly' enough? Have read about people doing 30k km+ with numerous track days included.
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      01-30-2014, 11:06 PM   #3
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How did they wear out as that is a crazy low km? My PSS are still ok after 20,000km with a couple of track and motorkhana sessions. I'd suggest the wheel alignment is way out and will eat any tyre you use.
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No way PSS would wear out at 7,000km (given you said no track days or burnouts). Normal city driving would get your 20,000 - 30,000km. How was the wear?...have you had alignment done?

Also see this thread (http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=940451), as a set of 4 PSS should be had for <$2000
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      01-31-2014, 12:09 AM   #5
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AD08s, they've lasted me 20000+kms so far and still going strong! Maybe I don't drive 'spiritedly' enough? Have read about people doing 30k km+ with numerous track days included.
My AD08s lasted a year and 10,000kms but that included some kind of track outing nearly every month.
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      01-31-2014, 12:20 AM   #6
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My PSS have lasted very well. 10k so far and 50% wear if that.
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      01-31-2014, 12:40 AM   #7
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I have 17,000km on my PSS and they still have plenty left. A noticeable amount of tread was lost during one track day. They seem durable in normal road use.
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      01-31-2014, 01:33 AM   #8
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Alignment is fine, wear is even across both tyres and the fronts have plenty of tread left. I thinks its a case where I just might have to drive with more care for the tyres... (not used to the rears going so quickly - coming from many AWD's previously!)

The car has aftermarket wheels and the mechanic suggested going back to OE setup as the rear end can 'bounce' around over bumps etc on the road. I think this may be due to softer/non RFT tyres.

Can also get a good deal on some Yoko Advan V105, reasonably new tyre - all reports on these seem positive.
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      01-31-2014, 02:46 AM   #9
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My federal 595RSRs have lasted less than 12 months, 20,000 kms, 3 Wakefield track days and maybe 5 trips to WSID. The rears are now at the wear bars and I'm looking at replacements. Maybe Nitto NT01s.
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If you are only getting 7k out of them.. You could probably go a cheaper r-comp and get about the same km with more grip haha

I drive pretty hard, obviously with less power, and still got 40kkm out of the fk452's and have 20-25 already out of the ku31's

Also, just sorta on topic of wear... The oem RFT's list tread wear rating at 140? What's up with that, 140 is usually r comp territory &lt;5-10kkm tops stuff? Dodgy rating scale from bridgestone?
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      02-02-2014, 12:26 AM   #11
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What is the going rate for PSS these days? I am about to call Jax in Artarmon.

Are people going with 215/40/18 and 245/35/18 or slightly wider on stock rims?
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      02-02-2014, 03:54 AM   #12
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PSS are wide, and it gather you can get scrubbing with an increase in width.

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      02-02-2014, 04:42 AM   #13
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I've gone back to Conti sport Contact 3, yes a little long in the tooth but a brilliant street tyre for half the price compared to the latest generation and last the distance.
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What is the going rate for PSS these days? I am about to call Jax in Artarmon.

Are people going with 215/40/18 and 245/35/18 or slightly wider on stock rims?
St. George Tyres have some pretty good prices for PSS.
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Tempe... got my fresh-stock 245/40/18 PSS for $330 each from them
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What is the going rate for PSS these days? I am about to call Jax in Artarmon.

Are people going with 215/40/18 and 245/35/18 or slightly wider on stock rims?
up size to 225/40/18 & 255/35/18, works on stock 18" wheels.
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My federal 595RSRs have lasted less than 12 months, 20,000 kms, 3 Wakefield track days and maybe 5 trips to WSID. The rears are now at the wear bars and I'm looking at replacements. Maybe Nitto NT01s.
A tyre store told me that, even though the Nitto NT01 is DOT-compliant in the USA, in Australia it is for track only. The Nitto NT05 is streetable. Nitto also have drag radials - if that was the particular type of track tyre you were after.

Notice how the US website mentions DOT-compliant while the Australian Distributor conveniently leaves that part out. I also have the Australian Nitto catalogue, which omits any reference to DOT-compliance.

Not to mention, I'm not too sure how well the NT01 would hold up in a wet road scenario - you might aquaplane all over the place

On the other hand, if it is for track use only then
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      02-03-2014, 11:55 PM   #18
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I spoke to Taleb tyres here in Sydney and they were very helpful. I was quoted $1200 fitted and balanced for NT01s in 235/40/18 and 275/35/18. I asked him how they were on the street and he said they were fine but due to the soft R compound would wear faster and was unable to say roughly how many kms they would last. He did mention that they were definitely street legal. Of course he could be wrong, but then again he could be right. He recommend NT05s if I was going to mainly be street driving the tyres due to their harder compound. For me though, it's either NT01s or R-S3s and I'm happy to be a guinea pig and try some NT01s for street/track.
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froop--I just read an article in Car and Driver magazine about the horrible policing of speed limits in Australia. Here in the US, you are usually pretty safe as long as you are under +10 over the limit. The article mentions tickets being handed out for anything over the limit. Is it true?
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I spoke to Taleb tyres here in Sydney and they were very helpful. I was quoted $1200 fitted and balanced for NT01s in 235/40/18 and 275/35/18. I asked him how they were on the street and he said they were fine but due to the soft R compound would wear faster and was unable to say roughly how many kms they would last. He did mention that they were definitely street legal. Of course he could be wrong, but then again he could be right. He recommend NT05s if I was going to mainly be street driving the tyres due to their harder compound. For me though, it's either NT01s or R-S3s and I'm happy to be a guinea pig and try some NT01s for street/track.
NT01's on street would be unsafe IMO, rather go NT05's which is a street/track combo. RS3's are comparable to NT05's, but still the NT05 is more of a slick.

Today in the wet I did miss my PSS as wet traction is a problem on RS3's
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froop--I just read an article in Car and Driver magazine about the horrible policing of speed limits in Australia. Here in the US, you are usually pretty safe as long as you are under +10 over the limit. The article mentions tickets being handed out for anything over the limit. Is it true?
I guess it really depends on where you are, what state you're in, what time it is and whether you're up against a camera or an actual cop.

Generally I would say you are pretty safe as long as you are under 10kph over the posted sign limits if caught by LIDAR. A patient of mine who's husband was a police officer told me that they have general guidelines regarding giving speed tickets and that usually includes people going above 10kph. She did state that on double demerit weekends this was reduced to 7kph.

But again, this is only a guideline. Come up against a cop with a grudge and he can ticket you for anything.

Against fixed speed cameras it's a bit more unknown. Generally I'd say you're probably safe if you're just a few kph over but no one really knows. I am pretty sure I have seen penalty notices from fixed speed camera for speeds under 10kph over the speed limit but if would have been on the higher sides, ~6-9kph over

One thing is certain however. In school zones during the school zone periods there are no such leeways. I have heard a story from a friend who was fined for doing 41kph in the 40kph zone. Be careful out there.

Odd question for a tyre discussion btw.
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I spoke to Taleb tyres here in Sydney and they were very helpful. I was quoted $1200 fitted and balanced for NT01s in 235/40/18 and 275/35/18. I asked him how they were on the street and he said they were fine but due to the soft R compound would wear faster and was unable to say roughly how many kms they would last. He did mention that they were definitely street legal. Of course he could be wrong, but then again he could be right. He recommend NT05s if I was going to mainly be street driving the tyres due to their harder compound. For me though, it's either NT01s or R-S3s and I'm happy to be a guinea pig and try some NT01s for street/track.
NT01's on street would be unsafe IMO, rather go NT05's which is a street/track combo. RS3's are comparable to NT05's, but still the NT05 is more of a slick.

Today in the wet I did miss my PSS as wet traction is a problem on RS3's
You just have to be sensible. In the dry I'm sure it's perfectly fine so that's no issue that needs discussing. Of course you can't guarantee that whenever you take the car out it's not going to rain but you can try to avoid those situations or at least drive sensibly when it does.

The other day it rained on me whilst I was driving to the city. It was very slippery and I was completely losing rear wheel traction even with moderate partial throttle at 40kph in 3rd gear. I put the Procede onto the map 0, the stock bypass mode and that helped significantly. In the wet, I don't drive as fast, I leave larger gaps when braking, I take corners quite slowly, I accelerate less. I don't really drive that fast on the street normally let alone in the wet so I'm pretty happy to take it easy when it's wet.

As long as one drives within the limits of their skills and limits of their equipment, I don't think it matters what tyres you have on your car.

Now of course if I were to lend my car to someone who doesn't know it as well, that would be a no no. But no one really drives my car except me and if they are, I'm usually in the passenger seat and I'm sure as hell not letting that happen in the wet now, let alone with NT01s.
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