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      11-10-2010, 02:10 AM   #89
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edit: I'll be happy to make some comparitive comments once I have a few issues sorted out with my car...
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MrB, not sure if you mentioned this before, but wanted to ask why you went with the roll cage? Safety thing if you run down the track or was it to stiffen up the car?

My 12.862 @ 111mph was done with stock run flats and only a JB3 and an intake (which most people claim to have no effect). The same night that car mentioned by Orlin ran the 12.6 with semi's and race fuel.
BBK: It looks trick. Sure it stiffens the car up but it's a daily driver. I'm not going to be setting a new lap record at Eastern Creek or pulling a ten second pass at WSID!

OK so maybe I am looking at a 12.8 or a bit better .. assuming your car is a 6MT?
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Hi Kenny, i have a question about one of your least exciting mods - the CDV (Clutch Delay Valve). Im interested in this and was wondering if there is a noticable improvement (for quick shifts and relaxed daily driving) over the standard restrictive CDV and would you recommend it to all 6MT owners?
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Hi Kenny, i have a question about one of your least exciting mods - the CDV (Clutch Delay Valve). Im interested in this and was wondering if there is a noticable improvement (for quick shifts and relaxed daily driving) over the standard restrictive CDV and would you recommend it to all 6MT owners?
Yes. For me I also did the BMW Performance short shift kit at the same time so the change was noticeable.
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Here's hoping that SSK and run flats result in a slow 60'fter!
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Hi Kenny, thanks for sharing the build. It was an interesting read for me as I also had a 135i project which started in 2008. It was quite different back then as not many parts were available and often I become the R&D car. But I had Andrew doing the build for me so it made my life much easier. Also, my car was built as a track car as opposed to a daily driver drag car (haha is there such a thing?), so outright power was not my aim, rather the maximum reliable power was key to me. For example, temperature management with things like a larger custom SBM radiator was subsequently required, and even then I still run into problems if I run any more than 4-5 laps at a time. Other big difference between our builds are LSD (I used Drexler as it is more "hardcore" for the track), big brakes (fully recommend the AP racing one I had!), and wider front to dial out understeer. Will be interesting to see where you end up with this car!
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Hi Kenny, thanks for sharing the build. It was an interesting read for me as I also had a 135i project which started in 2008. It was quite different back then as not many parts were available and often I become the R&D car. But I had Andrew doing the build for me so it made my life much easier. Also, my car was built as a track car as opposed to a daily driver drag car (haha is there such a thing?), so outright power was not my aim, rather the maximum reliable power was key to me. For example, temperature management with things like a larger custom SBM radiator was subsequently required, and even then I still run into problems if I run any more than 4-5 laps at a time. Other big difference between our builds are LSD (I used Drexler as it is more "hardcore" for the track), big brakes (fully recommend the AP racing one I had!), and wider front to dial out understeer. Will be interesting to see where you end up with this car!
Wayne, thanks for the kid words! I read a lot about your project when I first started looking at E82 135, you were one of my inspirations!

Andrew at Southern BM is total class. He's got a lot of knowledge and is one if those rare people who is happy to help out even if there is no immediate financial benefit in it for him. A real gentleman.

As for LSD and Drexler, that is a future mod. I'll share some photos of the custom made Drexler diff and half shafts assembly I had made for my BMW M Coupe project. The Drexler guys are top notch engineers.

AP Racing are great brake systems too, and if I upgraded the brakes on my E82 I'd go with AP Racing. I'll also share the AP Racing/Brembo brake setup on my M Coupe for interest sake.

Having been in the late model car modding game for some time, I know that it is important to remember what you're trying to achieve with any particular car. This car is my daily driver, and it's never going to be tracked at a circuit. So I don't need bigger brakes or circuit suspension. An LSD on the other hand is a no brainer!
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Whew, great thread guys, never saw a thread with so much juice and commitment to get the facts right all in one place
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Hey Kenny, have you fitted an oil cooler in your car? If so, which one did you go with? I noticed Stett has come out with stg 1 and stg 2 kits. It looks promising.
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OMG, I cant believe I haven't seen this thread earlier! Completely awesome stuff, I wish I was in sydney so I could have a look!

Just slightly curious about the gain you've gotten from the exhaust? I've got a somewhat simlar set-up on my 335i performance wise but cant seem to match your numbers so I was wondering if something was going wrong with autotune as I've switched to V5.

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(wavetrac lsd if that makes any difference?)
20" rims (although they were lighter than my oem 18"!)

Just jumped onto the dyno dynamic today on shootout 6 mode and was only able to make 257.7rwkw which is actually less that what you made without meth!

Although admittedly I have a feeling that Meth isn't kicking in (I did switch on the meth using the key fob) or perhaps I haven't autotuned properly!? Given your success I was hoping you could share some insight? We've tried a 3-4 runs on the dyno to get autotune to do its thing (I was on map 4 {meth map}) as given its the xmas season I dont really want to do full throttle runs in 3rd on the street.

If any other have some input it'd also be very welcome as I'm somewhat confused now..........
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Make sure your meth is working. I have done 2 cars in Sydney with Meth (including this one) on two different dynos and both were more than 270kW ATW. You should get the indicators coming on to indicate meth flow if you have the meth working and setup correctly. If not, you should log the meth flow parameter in the Procede software, and check you are getting to the expected flow. I would expect to gain around 30+kW with meth.

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top thread. Some great advice here. Love the stock look of your car Kenny
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Just going through the thread again, can you confirm you only made 24.9kw by adding an intercooler AND downpipes/exhaust? Doesn't sound like a lot, I was under the impression downpipes should add around 20-25kw alone?
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Whew, great thread guys, never saw a thread with so much juice and commitment to get the facts right all in one place
Thanks for the kind words.
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Hey Kenny, have you fitted an oil cooler in your car? If so, which one did you go with? I noticed Stett has come out with stg 1 and stg 2 kits. It looks promising.
Hi, I am running the OEM oil cooler setup right now. I've been speaking to Fred SU at Evolution Raceworks about their twin race oil cooler setup. I'd be comparing the Dinan kit with the ER kit if I was in the market.
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Just slightly curious about the gain you've gotten from the exhaust? I've got a somewhat simlar set-up on my 335i performance wise but cant seem to match your numbers so I was wondering if something was going wrong with autotune as I've switched to V5.

Currently running:
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20" rims (although they were lighter than my oem 18"!)

Just jumped onto the dyno dynamic today on shootout 6 mode and was only able to make 257.7rwkw which is actually less that what you made without meth!

Although admittedly I have a feeling that Meth isn't kicking in (I did switch on the meth using the key fob) or perhaps I haven't autotuned properly!? Given your success I was hoping you could share some insight? We've tried a 3-4 runs on the dyno to get autotune to do its thing (I was on map 4 {meth map}) as given its the xmas season I dont really want to do full throttle runs in 3rd on the street.

If any other have some input it'd also be very welcome as I'm somewhat confused now..........
All the mods with the gains are documented in the thread. It does sound like your meth kit is not functioning, get that checked out.
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top thread. Some great advice here. Love the stock look of your car Kenny
Hey thanks for saying so!
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Just going through the thread again, can you confirm you only made 24.9kw by adding an intercooler AND downpipes/exhaust? Doesn't sound like a lot, I was under the impression downpipes should add around 20-25kw alone?
All the mods and the gains from each are documented in the thread. Yes the full boltons showed a ~25 rwkw gain over a PROcede alone.
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Hi, I am running the OEM oil cooler setup right now. I've been speaking to Fred SU at Evolution Raceworks about their twin race oil cooler setup. I'd be comparing the Dinan kit with the ER kit if I was in the market.
I like the Dinan range but they are on the expensive side. I believe their oil cooler is around $1600 from memory. I haven't looked into the ER setup yet.
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Just going through the thread again, can you confirm you only made 24.9kw by adding an intercooler AND downpipes/exhaust? Doesn't sound like a lot, I was under the impression downpipes should add around 20-25kw alone?
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All the mods and the gains from each are documented in the thread. Yes the full boltons showed a ~25 rwkw gain over a PROcede alone.
I expected more gains from the bolt-on's as well considering everyone speaks so highly of the downpipes.

Based on Kenny's total gain of 25kw from his bolt-on setup my guess would be
- downpipes roughly 15kw (20whp),
- the FMIC would be around 5kw (7whp)
- midpipes would be around 5kw (7whp)
- axel back section 0kw

I came up with the 5kw for the midpipes because Maddad did a dyno for their resonated midpipes and gained 10whp (7kw) on a stock car. I think this would be more like 5kw on the dynos that we use.

This is how I think the gains are distributed from what I've read and I have no facts to back anything up though
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I expected more gains from the bolt-on's as well considering everyone speaks so highly of the downpipes.

Based on Kenny's total gain of 25kw from his bolt-on setup my guess would be the downpipes would be roughly 15kw (20whp), the FMIC would be around 5kw (7whp), and the midpipes would be around 5kw (7whp). I doubt the axel back section gives any gains at all.

I came up with the 5kw for the midpipes because Maddad did a dyno for their resonated midpipes and gained 10whp (7kw) on a stock car. I think this would be more like 5kw on the dynos that we use.

This is how I think the gains are distributed from what I've read and I have no facts to back anything up though
Hard to say dude, but remember that is a 25 rwkw gain OVER the gain from a PROcede. If you went stock to full boltons you might find a different gain. I never tried that combination and unfortunately not many people document their builds with a dyno at multiple steps along the way or on the same dyno.

My advice is go PROcede and methanol kit first before thinking of boltons. They would be the last thing given they're lowest bang for the buck. However the result sounds better and is more responsive to drive.
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Hard to say dude, but remember that is a 25 rwkw gain OVER the gain from a PROcede. If you went stock to full boltons you might find a different gain. I never tried that combination and unfortunately not many people document their builds with a dyno at multiple steps along the way or on the same dyno.

My advice is go PROcede and methanol kit first before thinking of boltons. They would be the last thing given they're lowest bang for the buck. However the result sounds better and is more responsive to drive.
I agree with you regarding the chip and meth kit being the best bang for buck mods and I'm appreciative that you've documented the entire process. I think a lot of us would like to use meth but it's not recommended for amateurs or people who aren't familiar with it as it is fairly technical. I for one wouldn't know where to start and we have no local support here in Brisbane. If I had the support I would definitely go for it though. Bolt-on mods on the other hand can be installed and forgotten about and are completely safe to us so you really can't go wrong.
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