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      08-12-2010, 07:54 PM   #1
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BMW Performance already planned for 1M

word is people from JMK BMW met with the heads of BMW Performance, and the 1M was mentioned:
+40 hp from a reprogrammed DME

... dreaming of a 380hp 1M !!!
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      08-12-2010, 08:51 PM   #2
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ohhh man! IF this is true... Bmw M// guys better have one damm good flame suit on!!! Why pay 14K more for a 1M// then!!!
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I find this very hard to believe.
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I find this very hard to believe.
Why don't you believe it? Almost every turbocharged car made will show that kind of benefit (or more) with a little DME tuning (boost and fuel increase).
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I think he's talking about BMW being willing to let the 1M get that much closer to the performance of the M3.
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Well if it comes with a M variant of the N54 then the existing tunes out in the market should be easy to adapt. I just hope its not based on the N55.. ugh...
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word is people from JMK BMW met with the heads of BMW Performance, and the 1M was mentioned:
+40 hp from a reprogrammed DME

... dreaming of a 380hp 1M !!!
If this is true, that's bad news imho because this means that the non-Performance version "only" gets 340 hp ... and this is roughly 35is performance. From an M car I would expect a bit more power/torque than what the Z4 sDrive35is offers
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word is people from JMK BMW met with the heads of BMW Performance, and the 1M was mentioned:
+40 hp from a reprogrammed DME

... dreaming of a 380hp 1M !!!
So you are saying that the engine in the 1M Coop will simply be an N54, or N55 engine, with nothing more than a reprogramed ECU? With 40 more HP than is currently available?
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If this is true, that's bad news imho because this means that the non-Performance version "only" gets 340 hp ... and this is roughly 35is performance. From an M car I would expect a bit more power/torque than what the Z4 sDrive35is offers
How did you get this? Dude said, "dreaming of a 380 hp...", and the 40+ hp remap could be a remap of a 360 hp engine.

Since we have no clue as to how much it's making other than Scott26 saying look for around 360 PS, you can't assume that it will be 340 or 335, based upon what someone who again is assuming...

Logic is a good friend..

Also, as was stated by Scott again, this engine is based on the N55, it will be called the S55, and will be the basis for the engine in the F30 M3
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How did you get this? Dude said, "dreaming of a 380 hp...", and the 40+ hp remap could be a remap of a 360 hp engine.

Since we have no clue as to how much it's making other than Scott26 saying look for around 360 PS, you can't assume that it will be 340 or 335, based upon what someone who again is assuming...

Logic is a good friend..

Also, as was stated by Scott again, this engine is based on the N55, it will be called the S55, and will be the basis for the engine in the F30 M3
Speaking of dreaming. I would rather see a NA in-line 6 similar to the e46's engine. With the newer technology, they could easily make 350hp which would be suffice for a NA engine.
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Speaking of dreaming. I would rather see a NA in-line 6 similar to the e46's engine. With the newer technology, they could easily make 350hp which would be suffice for a NA engine.
I think many would, but alas, is not in the card for this car. The "wave of the future" for BMW is turbo charging. Mainly due to EPA pollution regs, and fuel economy.
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Speaking of dreaming. I would rather see a NA in-line 6 similar to the e46's engine. With the newer technology, they could easily make 350hp which would be suffice for a NA engine.
They already made 360hp with that engine several years ago with the CSL - Should be able to get more now with same 3.2L - just think if they made it a bit larger (like the 3.8L GT3 that spins to 8,500rpm).
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I think he's talking about BMW being willing to let the 1M get that much closer to the performance of the M3.
Which is another reason to make the case for the M3 GTS and GTS-R, to further distance the M3...or have you noticed that the M3 is not the fastest in a straight line compared to it's bigger brothers, the M5 and M6, but it is faster around a track? This maybe what the 1M's goal is...faster around the track than the M3, basically the 1M is the new "old" M3.
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If this is true I will become less and less of a BMW fan. Seriously, what's this marketing talk of pure M sport and perfection then BMW release some mod make it better with additional fee? Why doesn't it come with 380hp to start off.
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If this is true I will become less and less of a BMW fan. Seriously, what's this marketing talk of pure M sport and perfection then BMW release some mod make it better with additional fee? Why doesn't it come with 380hp to start off.
For all we know, it just might have 380 hp. I said this before, do you think M engineers spent almost a 1 year on the 'Ring and several months in the snow, just driving for the fun of it? Do you think M Division just told a few engineers to drive around, waste gas, go let some car journalists ride shotgun, waste more gas, and this is a paid vacation?
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For all we know, it just might have 380 hp. I said this before, do you think M engineers spent almost a 1 year on the 'Ring and several months in the snow, just driving for the fun of it? Do you think M Division just told a few engineers to drive around, waste gas, go let some car journalists ride shotgun, waste more gas, and this is a paid vacation?
No management and marketing may say hey it's good you have 380 hp however that will cannibalize M3 sales, detune it to 340 or 350, but we will market it as the greatest machine ever built with no compromise. Just like the performance package or 335is. Why didn't 335i come with "s" options? Why didn't 135i come with aerokit, power boost, and exhaust?

It's called walking up customer's demand curve, maximizing dollar amount each buyer will spend. They will do so until the cost to maintain such customization or complexity in production exceed the marginal value provided by them. This way they don't lose sales on customer who doesn't care for options yet milked those who do.

They can be unit testing new components or system testing the integration of them. Not necessarily means it will have 380hp.

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Again, why are you guys so fixated on hp's? If it handles like a pure M, then hp's don't matter. I've tracked almost all my cars and the handling is more important. If you want to go fast in a straight line, then mod the hell out the current 1 series. I haven't taken mine on the track because it's a lease and it would need track upgrades to get it to where it needs to be. Hence the need for the 1M.

I'm just amazed at all the posts about oh, if it's not this hp, I'm not going to buy it. The M division has never failed to deliver on their cars. You would be hard pressed to find a bad review of an e30 all the way to the current M3. They have continually set the bar for motorsport divisions. So, why do so many people doubt the viability that 1M will not exceed expectations?
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Well if it comes with a M variant of the N54 then the existing tunes out in the market should be easy to adapt. I just hope its not based on the N55.. ugh...
What are the major differences between the N54 & N55, other than the number of turbochargers?
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word is people from JMK BMW met with the heads of BMW Performance, and the 1M was mentioned:
+40 hp from a reprogrammed DME

... dreaming of a 380hp 1M !!!
Why it is hard to believe is because BMW M is an independent subsidiary of the BMW Group, separate from BMW Performance which is a division of BMW AG.
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What are the major differences between the N54 & N55, other than the number of turbochargers?
Valvetronic fuel injection.
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Again, why are you guys so fixated on hp's? If it handles like a pure M, then hp's don't matter. I've tracked almost all my cars and the handling is more important. If you want to go fast in a straight line, then mod the hell out the current 1 series. I haven't taken mine on the track because it's a lease and it would need track upgrades to get it to where it needs to be. Hence the need for the 1M.

I'm just amazed at all the posts about oh, if it's not this hp, I'm not going to buy it. The M division has never failed to deliver on their cars. You would be hard pressed to find a bad review of an e30 all the way to the current M3. They have continually set the bar for motorsport divisions. So, why do so many people doubt the viability that 1M will not exceed expectations?
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What are the major differences between the N54 & N55, other than the number of turbochargers?
N55 has Valvetronic, N54 has a "old style" throttle.
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