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      08-30-2010, 12:13 PM   #551
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Still blows my mind that people judge and base a whole car on its peak HP number.
Exactly, the Cayman S has 320 bhp and it's a phenomenal sports car. Cars do not need 300bhp to be great - too many ricer magazines and garage project features have distorted reality.
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      08-30-2010, 12:21 PM   #552
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if the 1M is 350 hp am keeping my 135i a tune and full exhaust and my 135i will be more then 350 whp !
And when 1M owners tune theirs, they will still have more hp, but Ms are more than just hp as stated above
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      08-30-2010, 12:34 PM   #553
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And when 1M owners tune theirs, they will still have more hp, but Ms are more than just hp as stated above
Dang! U beat me to it!
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      08-30-2010, 12:56 PM   #554
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I won't be in the market for this car, keeping my 135i for 10 years but I will be looking to retrofit as many parts as possible. (LSD,Suspension)
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      08-30-2010, 01:06 PM   #555
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so does this N54 based engine have larger turbo's?
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      08-30-2010, 01:10 PM   #556
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Kind of a funny question. Does anyone know what shoes is Dr. Kay Segler wearing on the photo below. They look like fairly nice driving shoes...

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      08-30-2010, 01:26 PM   #557
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Can someone read what size tires are on the car? I'm quite curious...
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      08-30-2010, 01:29 PM   #558
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Can someone read what size tires are on the car? I'm quite curious...
BF said it was 245/35/19 f and 265/35/19 r.
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      08-30-2010, 01:35 PM   #559
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BF said it was 245/35/19 f and 265/35/19 r.
On some of the Bimmerfile pictures the mentioned tire-size can be spotted ... but no indication whether rims and tires are standard or part of an option pack.
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      08-30-2010, 01:37 PM   #560
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is this car officially call 1M?

Why is not an M1 ????
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      08-30-2010, 01:39 PM   #561
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is this car officially call 1M?

Why is not an M1 ????
Because of this car ^^
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      08-30-2010, 01:40 PM   #562
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is this car officially call 1M?

Why is not an M1 ????
Seriously? Wow, you have a lot of reading to do!
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      08-30-2010, 01:43 PM   #563
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Still blows my mind that people judge and base a whole car on its peak HP number.
You have to remember, people have to be excited when they drive in order to justify a sport cars purchase. (well, at least for me)


One MAJOR factor of the excitement level is the power the car produces, and how it produces it.

People coming from a RX-8 will think this thing is FAST.

People coming from a C6 Z06 will think this thing is SLOW.


And, if it comes out right, people from any car that really do sport driving will think the car handles and feels GREAT!



I'm sure if the M3 came with only 200 rated horsepower the sales volume would not be nearly as high. Basically people would see 200hp/3700lbs and instantly decide it was not powerful enough based on that one number, like you were saying.
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      08-30-2010, 01:51 PM   #564
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Valvetronic was the main cause of the time delay but BMW have spent some time on this and are using the N55 as a basis for the next M3.

There is a lot of this car that will carry over for the next generation 1M in which that car will switch to four cylinders to which the M Division engineers are already working on the basics without time constraints or restrictions.
1M (E82) is showing what is possible in a small timeframe 1M (F22) will show what is possible once you do not have restrictions.
I hope the N55 is merely a rough starting point for the next M3 engine. I think for the M3 people will want complete exclusivity on what the M3 engine is capable of over the 335.

Will the 4-banger be somewhat derived from the N55? I'm guessing a 2L with a single twin scroll turbo is in the works.
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      08-30-2010, 01:52 PM   #565
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You have to remember, people have to be excited when they drive in order to justify a sport cars purchase. (well, at least for me)


One MAJOR factor of the excitement level is the power the car produces, and how it produces it.

People coming from a RX-8 will think this thing is FAST.

People coming from a C6 Z06 will think this thing is SLOW.


And, if it comes out right, people from any car that really do sport driving will think the car handles and feels GREAT!
Im gonna be coming from a e92 M3 killing Twinscrewed e36 M3. And I think refinement is really what I want. A fast, fun car for sure. But something that feels smooth yet planted. Something you can daily but feel totally confident at the light next to the SS or at the autocross. I drove a friends e90 m3 recently and I just enjoyed the refinement. Its got power but that didnt impress me as much as its driving dynamics.
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      08-30-2010, 02:15 PM   #566
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And when 1M owners tune theirs, they will still have more hp, but Ms are more than just hp as stated above
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Dang! U beat me to it!
I am willing to bet that this version of the N54 will NOT be very tuner friendly.

I would assume that BMW is making sure of that....
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      08-30-2010, 02:35 PM   #567
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I am assuming the reasoning behind it is if thek M3 drops and engine size so does the 1M? Not looking forward to a turbo'd 4 cylinder by any means.
I wish they would do the turbo 4 with this 1M.

Turbo 4 is the proper way to do this car.
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      08-30-2010, 02:40 PM   #568
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I wish they would do the turbo 4 with this 1M.

Turbo 4 is the proper way to do this car.
Only if it were many lbs. lighter... then yes. Which will be the gameplan of the next 1M.
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      08-30-2010, 02:40 PM   #569
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^only if they put it on a big diet! Lol
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      08-30-2010, 02:43 PM   #570
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Only if it were many lbs. lighter... then yes. Which will be the gameplan of the next 1M.
SCOTT has a recent post where he says the F20 1M will be lighter AND more powerful.

Now that will be something to see.
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Is it just me or is that some nice Carbon Fiber rear Valance!!
I hope I'm wrong, but from this angle that shows both sides it looks like heat shielding and just plastic around the pipes...I really hope I'm wrong.
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