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      09-03-2010, 10:53 PM   #683
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Maybe when SCOTT says Hybrid it's an N54 except it has a twin scroll turbo (no valvetronic so it's not an N55)?
Emissions are driving the result of "The Hybrid". If you take an N55 335is and bump the power up, BMW may have been forced to use 2 more cats. Just a thought
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Emissions are driving the result of "The Hybrid". If you take an N55 335is and bump the power up, BMW may have been forced to use 2 more cats. Just a thought
And this is based on what?
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And this is based on what?
Higher power generates more emissions, where 2 more cats may help meet EPA requirements. When I say Hybrid, I mean the M1 engine.
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      09-04-2010, 12:01 AM   #686
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This is why I wonder, how come we don't see more variable vaned turbos? They have been in use in diesel engines and Porsche uses them in the 997 Turbo.
I think the Direct injection gasoline engines are only in their infantcy when compared to a diesel engine. I fully expect to see high pressure systems put to use at some point, depending how much it will actually cost to produce this. But i wouldn't be suprised to see injection pressure jump up to a few thousand PSI to get better atomization and efficiency.

to get what i'm on about, Look at the HIUE systems (or similar) used on transport trucks today. Last i checked (a few years back) they were injecting deisel into the cylindars at 22,000 PSI just to get their emissions low and power high. So seeing a car with 10,000 wouldn't suprise me one day in the future.

it would be neat to see a dual plenum turbo (maybe even quad) used for more efficiency as well, help drop the spool times a tiny bit. I think it would work well with a Variable Vane turbo, though might not be that necessary since cars rev a lot higher pushing enough air that it wouldn't really matter.

If you want to see the future of our beloved gasoline, watch the technological developments in transport truck engines. pretty amaizing stuff.

and as stated by others, the more units of something that are made, the more the price can drop. The first fully carbon fibre car was 1000000$ now you can get many different car designs that are stronger and more advanced for a 1/4 of that price. it only took 20 years
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someone should have just ripped the cover off lol
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Higher power generates more emissions, where 2 more cats may help meet EPA requirements. When I say Hybrid, I mean the M1 engine.
Hmm there is no point of having another cat rather than upgrading one with the right level of rare metal (palladium etc ...) to meet the emission
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Hmm there is no point of having another cat rather than upgrading one with the right level of rare metal (palladium etc ...) to meet the emission
Sure, but the M1 evolves from existing piece parts and new cosmetics. Ok, ok the muffler is new, but only due to cosmetics.
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someone should have just ripped the cover off lol
I attended the BMW M Power Experience Event in Miramas France a couple of days ago. As a part of the event, they had a 1 Series M Coupe they showed us - at least the same front fender they show in the video. I was tempted to rip the rest of the cover off - but restrained myself and just felt the car up through the cover instead.

There were a few tidbits thrown out about the car - one I haven't seen reported here is that it will be a limited production run for 1 year with 500 cars allocated to North America.
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I attended the BMW M Power Experience Event in Miramas France a couple of days ago. As a part of the event, they had a 1 Series M Coupe they showed us - at least the same front fender they show in the video. I was tempted to rip the rest of the cover off - but restrained myself and just felt the car up through the cover instead.

There were a few tidbits thrown out about the car - one I haven't seen reported here is that it will be a limited production run for 1 year with 500 cars allocated to North America.
Serious? That sucks about the 500 allocated here.
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Serious? That sucks about the 500 allocated here.
Yes, they were serious. The comment was that they want it to be a limited edition - and are hopeful they will all be pre-sold.
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I attended the BMW M Power Experience Event in Miramas France a couple of days ago. As a part of the event, they had a 1 Series M Coupe they showed us - at least the same front fender they show in the video. I was tempted to rip the rest of the cover off - but restrained myself and just felt the car up through the cover instead.

There were a few tidbits thrown out about the car - one I haven't seen reported here is that it will be a limited production run for 1 year with 500 cars allocated to North America.
Oh well, that means it's an M3 for me then.. Either way, I won't complain.
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I attended the BMW M Power Experience Event in Miramas France a couple of days ago. As a part of the event, they had a 1 Series M Coupe they showed us - at least the same front fender they show in the video. I was tempted to rip the rest of the cover off - but restrained myself and just felt the car up through the cover instead.

There were a few tidbits thrown out about the car - one I haven't seen reported here is that it will be a limited production run for 1 year with 500 cars allocated to North America.
Interesting. I wonder if bmw is gonna impose some type of restriction on the purchase of the 1M eg previous owners of 1series or M cars or prior owners of both. Anyways, if I can't get one, then I will buy a 335is or M3
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      09-04-2010, 06:35 PM   #695
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Interesting. I wonder if bmw is gonna impose some type of restriction on the purchase of the 1M eg previous owners of 1series or M cars or prior owners of both. Anyways, if I can't get one, then I will settle for a 335is or M3
I got a call from my dealer the other day asking me as a current 135 owner if I was interested in the car...but I doubt that it's exclusive like how you needed to own an F40 or F50 inorder to buy an Enzo new
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I got a call from my dealer the other day asking me as a current 135 owner if I was interested in the car...but I doubt that it's exclusive like how you needed to own an F40 or F50 inorder to buy an Enzo new
I know it's not going to be that exclusive, but am just trying to figure out how they plan on selling only 500 cars in the U.S, when it appears that demand is much higher than that . My dealer already assured me that I will get one of the cars allocated to them, but am sure if they've the opportunity to sell it for over msrp they will. I test drove the 335is with dct today and boy was it a blast to drive, the exhaust and LED halos were fantastic So, I wouldn't mind buying that or the M3.
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      09-05-2010, 01:52 AM   #697
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I attended the BMW M Power Experience Event in Miramas France a couple of days ago...it will be a limited production run for 1 year with 500 cars allocated to North America.
This is consistent with similar information posted on Bimmerfile last week. However, I was under the impression the car would be produced for two years, not just one.

As I have pointed out elsewhere, 500 units in North America corresponds to 1-2 cars per dealership. It stands to reason that you need to be either #1 or #2 on the waiting list to have a realistic shot at purchasing the car. And you better be prepared for a "market adjustment" premium.

So much for BMW's plan to have younger less affluent customers buying the baby M car.
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This is consistent with similar information posted on Bimmerfile last week. However, I was under the impression the car would be produced for two years, not just one.

As I have pointed out elsewhere, 500 units in North America corresponds to 1-2 cars per dealership. It stands to reason that you need to be either #1 or #2 on the waiting list to have a realistic shot at purchasing the car. And you better be prepared for a "market adjustment" premium.

So much for BMW's plan to have younger less affluent customers buying the baby M car.
Soooo, No DCT, no CF roof, no S55, adn supposedly only 500 units alloacated for the US model...there is word that rhymes with duck, that I want to say about the M Division...but I will reserve it until I know for certain all these things are true...
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In a way, I kind of like the idea of this car having a somewhat limited run in the sense that I don't want to see one on every street corner, but 500 would be ridiculous. IMO, it would end up driving the cost up to the point that it would be foolish to buy one. Most would probably be picked up by collecters, I would guess - hardly consistent with ///M's stated intention of attracting a younger buyer. Truthfully, from what I've heard about this car so far it needs to MSRP in the low $40's to make sense. I know that's awfully close to a base 135i, but they should sell it without the option of nav, premium pack, sunroof, etc, in order to make it a more distinct product in the lineup.

I'm going to hold out for official word before I totally buy this 500 vehicle allocation thing, though.
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As I have pointed out elsewhere, 500 units in North America corresponds to 1-2 cars per dealership..
I really have a hard time believing that BMW would make this small number (500) of cars. This would make it the rarest BMW since the '95 E36 M3 Lightweight, and rarer than a Z8. It would be one of the stupidest things BMW would have done in its history. To promote this car as an entry level M car, and basicly make it unobtainable. It would profoundly affect the way I perceive BMW. They should make as many cars per year at least as many as the E30 M3 which is what they are trying to equate this to. For North America, that was 5300 models in 3 years, or about 1800 per year.
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On the surface BMW's approach is confusing.

They are trying to build the 1M as cheaply as possible, but only intend to sell a relative few. If only 500 units are to be sold in the U.S. they could charge a premium for the car, so why not splurge on it?

My theory is that 500 units is a soft target and not a firm ceiling. If the demand outstrips 500 units, then they will simply build more of them. The rationale for claiming only 500 units are bound for the U.S. is to maximize pre-orders by motivating people to put some money down.
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It would be one of the stupidest things BMW would have done in its history.
If the 500 number is accurate then I completely agree. If they severely limit production numbers, they are going to piss off a lot of their most loyal customers.

That is why I can't help but believe this is all part of some convoluted marketing scheme.
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Maybe M division hired some out of work Pontiac designers.

On a serious note, let's hope the vehicle pictured is still a prototype lacking some final finishes.
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