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      09-06-2010, 12:33 PM   #727
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I don't think there's an option other than to have fully functional venting, so the whole discussion above is probably moot.
And why is there no other option? We aren't talking about the intakes, but the small slits near the sides of the front spoiler.
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Perhaps the spoiler shakes when openings are cut into it.
That's true and very well could be the reason they don't vent it. Not a deal breaker for me either way.
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Single best post in this thread. Unfortunately for Herr Segler it has me desiring an E30 M3 rather than an einser reihe M.

That's when racing was raw and real...........so organic.....so beautiful.

Dig the title music, too......."Verdammt lang her". Yes........so damn long ago.
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Life in good old USA must be nice if 48k USD (31k GBP) is a lot of money for a bimmer

I have a top end of 44k GBP (67k USD) in mind, though am hoping it's closer to 38K GBP (58k USD)
For a BMW 1M, IMO, anything over $45k is too much. I never thought I'd ever own a Ford. Till the new 2011 5.0 Mustang GT came out. Fully optioned (and we're talkin glass roof, 3.73 gears, track pack, heated seats, sync nav & backup camera, ect...) comes in at $43k
I'm no domestic fan boy. I've owned imports my whole life. But if this 1M (which I've been waitin for) decides to come in at $45k or more. I'm out of the game to own one. I'll get a used M3 or a new mustang.
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For a BMW 1M, IMO, anything over $45k is too much. I never thought I'd ever own a Ford. Till the new 2011 5.0 Mustang GT came out. Fully optioned (and we're talkin glass roof, 3.73 gears, track pack, heated seats, sync nav & backup camera, ect...) comes in at $43k
I'm no domestic fan boy. I've owned imports my whole life. But if this 1M (which I've been waitin for) decides to come in at $45k or more. I'm out of the game to own one. I'll get a used M3 or a new mustang.
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4:22 in that dtm video...was that a fox body mustang?!
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4:22 in that dtm video...was that a fox body mustang?!
I believe so. There are also a number of Merkur XR4TIs running around (a product of Ford's european subsidiary and a fairly cool car at the time).
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For a BMW 1M, IMO, anything over $45k is too much. I never thought I'd ever own a Ford. Till the new 2011 5.0 Mustang GT came out. Fully optioned (and we're talkin glass roof, 3.73 gears, track pack, heated seats, sync nav & backup camera, ect...) comes in at $43k
I'm no domestic fan boy. I've owned imports my whole life. But if this 1M (which I've been waitin for) decides to come in at $45k or more. I'm out of the game to own one. I'll get a used M3 or a new mustang.
I might be making the jump to one of the domestics too....and this is after my last 6 cars have been German....

The car dealers are still hurting, and that means that there is room for negotiation...if BMW wants to build only 500 cars for North America, and the US market drives ///M sales, then someone in Germany isn't thinking too logically...

This sounds less and less like a truly entry level ///M car, and more like the marketing ploy many have been afraid of since the car became official....

No one at my dealer even knows this car will exist--wouldn't surprise me if I couldn't even get one....which means it will most likely not be worth the effort....guess I will likely pass as well...
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if BMW wants to build only 500 cars for North America (...) No one at my dealer even knows this car will exist--wouldn't surprise me if I couldn't even get one....which means it will most likely not be worth the effort....guess I will likely pass as well...
If they only make 500 cars over 1 year, that means dealers will get an average of what - 2 cars? 3? (not sure how many dealers there are).

That means the car will always be sold at a premium over MSRP, which will not only defeat the purpose of bringing new, younger and less affluent people into the M fold, but will all but guarantee the enthusiast base will skip it too (few cars = no test drives and high prices).


I personally think BMW will build as many as it can sell, which is still not much with such a short production run. But I'm hoping at least I can test drive it - otherwise I'll keep the M3 and live happily ever after.
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If they only make 500 cars over 1 year, that means dealers will get an average of what - 2 cars? 3? (not sure how many dealers there are).

That means the car will always be sold at a premium over MSRP, which will not only defeat the purpose of bringing new, younger and less affluent people into the M fold, but will all but guarantee the enthusiast base will skip it too (few cars = no test drives and high prices).


I personally think BMW will build as many as it can sell, which is still not much with such a short production run. But I'm hoping at least I can test drive it - otherwise I'll keep the M3 and live happily ever after.
I don't blame you if you end up keeping the M3--I am now wondering if getting into one of the E90/92 M3s would be easier and cheaper than looking at the 1M....

I too would require a test drive, and I agree that that might not be possible, given the possible limitations on the number of cars to be available...

I am certainly not going to pay more than MSRP....
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For a BMW 1M, IMO, anything over $45k is too much. I never thought I'd ever own a Ford. Till the new 2011 5.0 Mustang GT came out. Fully optioned (and we're talkin glass roof, 3.73 gears, track pack, heated seats, sync nav & backup camera, ect...) comes in at $43k
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I might be making the jump to one of the domestics too....and this is after my last 6 cars have been German....

The car dealers are still hurting, and that means that there is room for negotiation...if BMW wants to build only 500 cars for North America, and the US market drives ///M sales, then someone in Germany isn't thinking too logically...

This sounds less and less like a truly entry level ///M car, and more like the marketing ploy many have been afraid of since the car became official....

No one at my dealer even knows this car will exist--wouldn't surprise me if I couldn't even get one....which means it will most likely not be worth the effort....guess I will likely pass as well...
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If they only make 500 cars over 1 year, that means dealers will get an average of what - 2 cars? 3? (not sure how many dealers there are).

That means the car will always be sold at a premium over MSRP, which will not only defeat the purpose of bringing new, younger and less affluent people into the M fold, but will all but guarantee the enthusiast base will skip it too (few cars = no test drives and high prices).


I personally think BMW will build as many as it can sell, which is still not much with such a short production run. But I'm hoping at least I can test drive it - otherwise I'll keep the M3 and live happily ever after.
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I don't blame you if you end up keeping the M3--I am now wondering if getting into one of the E90/92 M3s would be easier and cheaper than looking at the 1M....

I too would require a test drive, and I agree that that might not be possible, given the possible limitations on the number of cars to be available...

I am certainly not going to pay more than MSRP....
I just went on BMWusa.com and optioned out (read not fully optioned out) a 135i. I LOL-ed here at the office when my price tag came in at $43k
I worry this 1M is going to be over $45k.
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but my colleague here at work just purchased a GT w/ the glass roof and the track pack. I had a chance to drive it and it handles just as well as my 2008 Nissan 350z. And as a daily driver it seemed to ride slightly better then my girlfriends 2010 128i. Most likely due to the longer wheelbase. But the fit and finish on the interior is real nice on that damn GT.
Owning a 1M would be wicked. I know, most likely, I would be the only one in my city (Little Rock, AR) w/ one. And considering I see more and more GT's popping up around the road. Standing out would be nice. However I really hope BMW makes the price right.
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      09-07-2010, 01:42 PM   #738
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I dont like what Im reading. "500 units", "market hype", "over MSRP". I hope the folks at BMW are reading this stuff. A hefty price tag on this thing, Id consider a used Cayman S (or M3 if price is right).
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I dont like what Im reading. "500 units", "market hype", "over MSRP". I hope the folks at BMW are reading this stuff. A hefty price tag on this thing, Id consider a used Cayman S (or M3 if price is right).
Used M3's now in the mid-low $40k's.

I'd hate to sell my trusted M3 to get into a 1M and go back to a used M3 after that, if it doesn't measure up. I'll definitely pull all the strings I can to test drive the 1M properly... I'll even call BMWNA and ask for a press car if the dealer won't satisfy me.
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4:22 in that dtm video...was that a fox body mustang?!
Yes, it's a white fox body Mustang with wheel flares. Somehow the Germans (assuming it's a German backed racer) know how ro make the cars cooler than the Americans do. Most fox bodied "stock" racers that I've seen look "odd" and Piece mealed...that had a slight Porsche look to it, sick and sleek

Wasn't the Merkur the same body as the Ford Cosworth RS?
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Its a Ford Sierra XR4i!! Different to the Sierra RS Cosworth, body wise the XR4 had the smaller biplane rear wing and the extra pillar through the rear windows and underneath IIRC a V6 rather than the Cosworth's turbo4.

The Cosworth was the one known more for racing, I've never seen a racing XR4 before.

Maybe that's a sign for all of us right there, the turbo being the better more desirable car of the two ;-)
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Its a Ford Sierra XR4i!!
In the US it was a Mercury Mercur XR4ti

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkur_XR4Ti

There was a Cosworth version, but not in the US

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Its a Ford Sierra XR4i!! Different to the Sierra RS Cosworth, body wise the XR4 had the smaller biplane rear wing and the extra pillar through the rear windows and underneath IIRC a V6 rather than the Cosworth's turbo4.

The Cosworth was the one known more for racing, I've never seen a racing XR4 before.

Maybe that's a sign for all of us right there, the turbo being the better more desirable car of the two ;-)
Right after the white and darkish Ford Sierra was a Fox body Mustang, check it again, I know the headlights, hood, sides and that distinctly side molding on the windows, plus that side shot of the rearend, with wide fender wells...I've seen enough Fox Body Mustang's lights in my rearview and them pulling up to me to know...they almost breed like real horses...

That being said, the Ford Sierra Cosworths really showed how a small engined RWD car could be fun as hell, and so did the RS200 as well. Ummm, is Ford, or did Ford, show BMW how to be the Ultimate Driving Machine?
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This is consistent with similar information posted on Bimmerfile last week. However, I was under the impression the car would be produced for two years, not just one.

As I have pointed out elsewhere, 500 units in North America corresponds to 1-2 cars per dealership. It stands to reason that you need to be either #1 or #2 on the waiting list to have a realistic shot at purchasing the car. And you better be prepared for a "market adjustment" premium.

So much for BMW's plan to have younger less affluent customers buying the baby M car.
It'll be definitely not be two years. I'm not sure if we've said that on BimmerFile but I definitely meant to. This will feel a bit more like an event. BTW this is basically what we reported more than a week ago on BF. We'll have more in BimmerCast #30 tomorrow.

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Lets see.....Which one is the MOST winning car in touring car history? Oh that would be the E30 ///M3.......not a Ford.

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It'll be definitely not be two years...We'll have more in BimmerCast #30 tomorrow.

Gabe - Do you agree that people with serious interest should put a deposit down now if they want a reasonable shot at purchasing? Do you have a deposit down? One or two cars per dealership is pretty limited.
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Yes. I've had mine down for at least six months now (and I'm not even sure if I'm buying one yet).
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Yes. I've had mine down for at least six months now (and I'm not even sure if I'm buying one yet).
Thanks for the info--we appreciate it.

I wonder, as others on here have, if this car will end up being like the ///M coupe of a few years ago...there were plenty of those to go around, and you could actually get a great deal on one...

I think my dad was able to get somewhere in the neighborhood of 13K off sticker....or something to that effect, on his 2007 M coupe....
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