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      11-16-2010, 07:26 AM   #45
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Thanks Dackel,
I am definitely interested in katja's style headlight.
btw, those headlight fit our cars correct?
I seem to have become the Sonar expert here. lol I do not know for sure that it fits. But I think its a safe bet. I will ask Sonar when I see them at the Esse Motor Show in two weeks time.

I did a quick check over at RealOEM.com... When I looked up a xeon headlight for a euro spec e82 (#63117181289) car and then did a part number search on that headlight it fits all the 1er models. e81, e82, e87 and e88.

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Per dectane's website, the lights on the white car use LEDs for the AEs. If you look back at the first page of this thread there are a few pics of a gray 1er that has these lights installed and it seems very clear that they are definitely LEDs and they appear to be lit in a manner similar to the OE ones; i.e., they aren't lit with 4 small bulbs each like the "Depo" lights also pictured in this thread.

I already contacted dectane for a shipping quote and I'll probably be ordering the chrom version within the next couple weeks. I wish they were more of a matte finish inside the housing, but I think I can learn to live with the chrome. Besides, they kind of resemble the E9X LCI headlights.
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Sweet plz keep us updated. I would also be interested in the OE type headlights
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Hmmm guys, the headlights (with 4 x T5) of the red one (Katja) are Depos! Just in the silver/gray version! (I guess she got it from here http://www.ad-tuning.de/shop/index.p...E81---E87.html)

My depos look very different at afternoon/night






(older pictures)



And here is another one with depos + standard bulbs for the rings





And for the Sonar HL's
As you can see here, there are some wires you need for rings
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6196/dscf1272.jpg

Rings turned on
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/413/dscf1273p.jpg
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http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6346/dscf1277p.jpg
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The AEs don't come pre-wired??
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      11-16-2010, 03:17 PM   #50
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Exact, I don't know exactly how to wire it... But I'm pretty sure it was descriped somewhere at the 1erforum.de
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Thanks Knob.

So your headlights - are they 4 X T5 as well like the Depos? And what brand are they?

Do you think the Sonar ones are better (with the metal ring at bottom) or your ones? (with no metal ring at bottom). Especially during daylight. Are the rings clearly visible an bright in daylight?

Also if you could find that link on 1erforum.de then I and others would really appreciate it as we can't read German

Thanks a lot again to you and Dackelone for answering all our Q's!
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I got these LED`s http://www.fuers-auto.de/product_inf...per-White.html (W1.2W (W2x4.6d / T5))

They're a bit weaker as the original ones.


You can't see spots on the sonar rings, they're just "whole" rings, but they're not that strong in daylight, but still visible, much better as the depo´s.

For the wires, you got three red and three thin black wires: One for the right ring, another one for the left ring and one for LED above and between the rings (they're pretty bright and could dazzle other car drivers..)

The red wires are plugged in into the plus of the stand light (if you want the rings as stand light).
There is a cover on the high beam light, if you look at the wires (just right unter the high beam bulb) and follow them a bit you can see a black and a white wire: White is PLUS+ and Black is MINUS-.

Now you need something like this:



The black wire of the LED rings get together with the black stand light wires. You can cut the white standlight wire and plug the red LED wires with them

RED LED ---> WHITE Standlight

BLACK LED ---> BLACK Standlight



Kinda like that...
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Hmm perhaps if the bulb from the Sonars could be modded/changed to a more stronger LED bulb or something (like the LUX H8 bulbs) then we could get the rings to be brighter in daylight

Also, no offense, but I'm having a bit of difficulty understanding your post. Maybe I need to analyze it a bit more. But what do you mean by "standlight" ?

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Well, what's "Standlicht" in english?

Here->

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One note to Knob's excellent post above (#52)...

"standlicht" or "stand light" or "city light" is what we in America would call "parking lights".

On German EU spec cars when you turn on the parking lights (or when the headlights are on!) there is a "city light" - ie they light up the reflectors. In Germany and EU they don't have the ugly orange (parking lights) that we have to have in the USA.

And as we know... on BMW's they use the Agel Eyes are a 'stand licht" over here.

The photo he posted is of a electrical connector - which is very common used in German electronics and hardware stores.

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Thanks guys

I've been using Google Translate to follow this thread on 1erforum.de and it seems there are quite some criticisms about the DECTANE (i.e Sonar) Headlights.

Translated (half) English Link:
http://translate.google.co.za/transl...en-US:official

German Link:
http://www.1erforum.de/tuning/neue-a...r-35854-2.html

More specifically, the 6th post down made by "Madin" on pg 10 is concerning..

Eng:
http://translate.google.co.za/transl...en-US:official

Ger:http://www.1erforum.de/tuning/neue-a...r-35854-2.html

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Originally Posted by Madin (1erforum.de)
First the good news, the headlights have arrived.

Nun zum ersten Eindruck: Now for the first impression:
-Verarbeitung nicht sehr sauber ( Das Klarglas ist sehr unsauber auf den Rahmen geklebt, viele freie stellen wo das Wasser Probleme bereiten wird??)
Processing is not very clean (The clear glass is very dirty glued to the frame, many jobs where the water will cause problems?)

-Die Kabel vereinen sich erst außerhalb vom Gehäuse in den Stecker, so baumeln die Kabel alle frei rum.
The cable-unite for the first outside of the housing into the connector, so the cables hang around all free.

-Der Schacht für die Abblendlampen ist nur über einen verschraubten Deckel zu erreichen (im verbauten Zustand nicht mal eben ohne Werkzeug eine Lampe wechseln!) -
The slot for the LOW BEAM is accessible only by a screwed lid (built in the state do not change just once a lamp without tools!)

-Aber das wichtigste ist das Die Standlichtringe im Außlieferzustand noch nicht an die Elkektrik angeschlossen werden können, am der Gehäuseunterseite sind 3 Kabeldurchführungen aus denen die Losen Kabelpaare für die Standlichtringe kommen, damit die Ringe mit dem Standlichtschalter benutzt werden können müsste diese erst noch im Scheinwerfergehäuse an den Standlichtstromkeis angeschlossen werden, ist nur für leute mit geschick beim basteln zu empfehlen.(finde es nicht gut das in der Atikelbeschreibung nix wie "Vorbereitung Standlichtringe" steht) -
But the most important is that the parking light rings in Außlieferzustand still can not be connected to the Elkektrik on the enclosure are 3 cable glands from which the lots are pairs of wires for the parking light rings, so that the rings can be used with the parking light switch would this still in the headlight housing be connected to the Standlichtstromkeis is recommended only for people tinker with the cleverest. (do not think it is good that nothing in the Atikelbeschreibung as "preparation Angel Eyes")

-Sehen schick aus, auch wenn die Ausleuchtung (bei 12V) der Ringe nicht sehr hell ist. -
They look chic, even when the illumination (at 12V) of the rings is not very bright.

Fazit:Ich werde sie nicht einbauen, machen im vergleich zu den Depos keinen guten Eindruck, irgend wie nix im ganzen, aber für leute die gern basteln evel.
Conclusion: I will not fit, do compare it to Depose a bad impression, some as nothing as a whole, but for people who like to tinker evel. brauchbar. useful.

Der Hersteller ist übrigens nicht DEPO sondern SONAR
The manufacturer is not the way, but DEPO SONAR

Noch einige Bilder um sich selbst einen Endruck zu machen.
A few more pictures to make yourself a final pressure.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6196/dscf1272.jpg http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6196/dscf1272.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/413/dscf1273p.jpg http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/413/dscf1273p.jpg
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1068/dscf1274z.jpg http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1068/dscf1274z.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6346/dscf1277p.jpg http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6346/dscf1277p.jpg
Something that has put me off a bit..
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Well... IF you want OEM quality there is always new euro spec BMW headligts.

I think they run about 500 euros EACH per side. Not sure what all else you would need. Or what comes with them.

You can look up the headlights here... http://bmwfans.info/

$1,500 OEM vs $500 for OE like!
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Per dectane's website, the lights on the white car use LEDs for the AEs. If you look back at the first page of this thread there are a few pics of a gray 1er that has these lights installed and it seems very clear that they are definitely LEDs and they appear to be lit in a manner similar to the OE ones; i.e., they aren't lit with 4 small bulbs each like the "Depo" lights also pictured in this thread.

I already contacted dectane for a shipping quote and I'll probably be ordering the chrom version within the next couple weeks. I wish they were more of a matte finish inside the housing, but I think I can learn to live with the chrome. Besides, they kind of resemble the E9X LCI headlights.
the chrome version you are refering is not actually a chrome isn't it........
I can see they have black and chrome... black is too dark IMO.
chrome is matt aluminum finish... am I correct? cuz that's what I am aiming for like katja's. Can someone confirm about this.
btw, what is the difference of Sonar and Depo???? I am lost now.
All I want is Katja's headlight with same exact setup (stock bulb color look)
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the chrome version you are refering is not actually a chrome isn't it........
I can see they have black and chrome... black is too dark IMO.
chrome is matt aluminum finish... am I correct? cuz that's what I am aiming for like katja's. Can someone confirm about this.
btw, what is the difference of Sonar and Depo???? I am lost now.
All I want is Katja's headlight with same exact setup (stock bulb color look)
Katja told me she bought her headlights from here...

http://www.ad-tuning.de/shop/

I think you need to create an account before you can see what they sell. Kind of strange. ?


I think these are the same lights. Knob correct me IF I am wrong. They look the same to me as the lights on Katja's red car.

https://www.dectane.de/product_info....---chrome.html

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PS: IF you can wait two weeks -I will be sure to take many pictures at the Essen Motor Show. I will most likely go there. Detane will have three different displays there at the show.
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the chrome version you are refering is not actually a chrome isn't it........
I can see they have black and chrome... black is too dark IMO.
chrome is matt aluminum finish... am I correct? cuz that's what I am aiming for like katja's. Can someone confirm about this.
btw, what is the difference of Sonar and Depo???? I am lost now.
All I want is Katja's headlight with same exact setup (stock bulb color look)
Well yes, the white car obviously has the black version, but I prefer the chrome version, and I do believe it is chrome and not at all a matte finish. The other lights that are being referred to as "Depo" lights (red car) do seem to have the matte finish that is similar to the OE lights.
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I got these LED`s http://www.fuers-auto.de/product_inf...per-White.html (W1.2W (W2x4.6d / T5))

They're a bit weaker as the original ones.


You can't see spots on the sonar rings, they're just "whole" rings, but they're not that strong in daylight, but still visible, much better as the depo´s.

For the wires, you got three red and three thin black wires: One for the right ring, another one for the left ring and one for LED above and between the rings (they're pretty bright and could dazzle other car drivers..)

The red wires are plugged in into the plus of the stand light (if you want the rings as stand light).
There is a cover on the high beam light, if you look at the wires (just right unter the high beam bulb) and follow them a bit you can see a black and a white wire: White is PLUS+ and Black is MINUS-.

Now you need something like this:



The black wire of the LED rings get together with the black stand light wires. You can cut the white standlight wire and plug the red LED wires with them

RED LED ---> WHITE Standlight

BLACK LED ---> BLACK Standlight



Kinda like that...
Do you mean that the red and black wires for the LEDs need to be spliced with the yellow and black wires as shown in the red box in this pic?

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Katja told me she bought her headlights from here...

http://www.ad-tuning.de/shop/

I think you need to create an account before you can see what they sell. Kind of strange. ?


I think these are the same lights. Knob correct me IF I am wrong. They look the same to me as the lights on Katja's red car.

https://www.dectane.de/product_info....---chrome.html

Dackel


PS: IF you can wait two weeks -I will be sure to take many pictures at the Essen Motor Show. I will most likely go there. Detane will have three different displays there at the show.
first link is all dutch... I can't seem to find even if they ship to Canada/US...
hopefully its the same headlight as the 2nd link.....
Could you ask Katja if (dectane.de) is selling the same one? They are depo?
Thanks Dackel.

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Look in my post, there is a link to ADTuning, but here is it again: These are Katjas Headlights http://www.ad-tuning.de/shop/product...---Silber.html
Just like mine, only in Silver.

And again:
Depo Headlights (with 4 LED Bulbs per ring):




Sonar Headlights:





"Do you mean that the red and black wires for the LEDs need to be spliced with the yellow and black wires as shown in the red box in this pic?"


No. They need to "spliced" with the white and black wires of YOUR car (with the parking light wires, so you get the ring shining as soon as the parking lights, or "stand lights" are on).

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Hi Guys,

I heard back from Katja, here is what she had to say...

Dackel.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

AW: depo's...


Hi,

I think, Dectane manufacture and sell it... AD-Tuning is only a online shop wich is selling it too.
There are certainly many other vendors who sell the headlights. I do not know all.

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"Do you mean that the red and black wires for the LEDs need to be spliced with the yellow and black wires as shown in the red box in this pic?"


No. They need to "spliced" with the white and black wires of YOUR car (with the parking light wires, so you get the ring shining as soon as the parking lights, or "stand lights" are on).
Ahh, that is good to know. Since I'm not too familiar with the headlights on my car yet, is there not a wire coming off the car-side plug already for the "stand lights"? I'm thinking that there must be since the OE halogen lights have a "stand light." That being the case, I'm thinking that the Sonar lights are probably missing that pin in the headlight-side plug?
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I don`t think there is already a wire for that, which is "plug and play" read, so you have to cut the wire coming from the car and splice it together with the ones for the headlights.
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