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      11-08-2010, 08:55 AM   #1
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Continental DWS

I am thinking about all season non runflats for my stock 18" wheels, more precisely, the Continental DWS. I searched the forums about these tires, but there is a lot of talk bouncing between DWS and DW. Knowing very well that they are "all seasons," I am very interested about peoples' experiences with DWS, especially:

1. Warm weather grip / understeer
2. Cold weather grip
3. Very cold pavement / slush / salt powder grip
4. Noise during all of the above
5. Steering sloppiness

These are in no particular order of importance. I know they are not ultra high performance summers, so steering feel and response will be reduced but I am willing to live with that for daily driver roles.

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Hopefully this will help provide some insight. This is our test recap for this Conti DWS and some of it's competitors. The testing includes a blend of track driving and real worlds road rides.
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      11-08-2010, 10:34 AM   #3
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I am having a set put on as my sensible dd shoes. The reviews are all good. Will get a set of dedicated track wheels and tires in spring. You will lose some dry traction and steering response but if you don't push your car on the public roads you should be fine
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      11-09-2010, 12:18 PM   #4
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Best to remember that "all season" is a marketing euphemism for compromised summer performance tire and not a very good snow tire.

If you want the best of both worlds, it is best to get a tire for each.
I have seen this said so many times... First off I will say yes snow/ice tires are the best winter tires you will be able to put on your car........ On the other hand when I was in germany. I was driving on my Goodyear LS-2 all season tires and I decided to see how well everything worked. (stability control, traction control, etc.) I tried launching my car and I will tell you I had almost no slipping at all with stability control on and 2-3 inches of snow and slush on the road. Then on the same tires (now 3/4 worn or even more) last winter when we had an ungodly amount of snow in the maryland northern virginia area my all season tires did just fine keeping up with giant SUVs and 4X4 trucks without feeling unsafe. My suggestion is if you grew up driving on snow and ice every winter you will be fine with an all season tire.
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BLUF, depends on conditions... but the DWS reviews very well on the Tire Rack!
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After 7,000 miles, the DWS tires compare favorably to the OEM summer Goodyear NCTs on my 128i. Ride is much improved and cornering is at least equal and although the tires feel softer, the dry grip equals the RFTs and wet grip is better.

And it looks like the tread life will be about double that of the Goodyears with the price being less than 1/2.

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      11-10-2010, 04:50 PM   #7
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I have the DWS on my daily driver (Subie WRX) and my wife has the P Zero Nero all season on her car. Both can handle light snow duty. They are performance all-seasons so they might not be able to take what a Chicago winter can throw at them.

Both tires are quiet and do light performance duty. Neither have the immediate turn in or grip that a good summer tire provides. The DWS do squeal a bit sooner than the P Zero when pushed in the dry. The DWS are great in the wet.

There is no substitute for a good summer and good winter tire. The P Zero came with the car and I will be switching them to summer tires when they wear out. However, if you are set on getting all-seasons I think the P Zero and DWS are probably two of the best choices.
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BLUF, depends on conditions... but the DWS reviews very well on the Tire Rack!
I think the overall rating is skewed, unless you do a daily drive in the rain. Looking at the real world graphs they're consistently behind the Pilot Sport A/S Plus and PZero Nero AS. On the dry track they appear to perform the worst out of the 4 and only really show superiority on the wet track. So, if you drive your car on a wet track all the time, the DWS is probably the tire you want.
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BLUF, depends on conditions... but the DWS reviews very well on the Tire Rack!
I think the overall rating is skewed, unless you do a daily drive in the rain. Looking at the real world graphs they're consistently behind the Pilot Sport A/S Plus and PZero Nero AS. On the dry track they appear to perform the worst out of the 4 and only really show superiority on the wet track. So, if you drive your car on a wet track all the time, the DWS is probably the tire you want.
You should watch tire racks comparison video test. It beat the competition in every category
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You should watch tire racks comparison video test. It beat the competition in every category
I must be missing something, the video just goes over the same results as the graphs. The DWS having numb oncenter driving and slower steering response in dry conditions isn't what I'm looking for in a tire. It did perform the best in the wet, but how often am I going to be pushing it in the rain? Add that to the fact that I waited 5 months for tire rack to try to get a set in for my MDX that I finally just gave up and went with the Yoko ENVigors instead. They've now been on backorder for 9 months in a 255/55/18 size, good job Continental, glad I didn't wait.
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Just put on a set of DWS's on my stock wheels to get ready for the winter. I didn't want to buy winter tires b/c I am planning on purchasing a set of track wheels, so if I got a dedicated winter setup I would have a total of 3 sets of wheels...which seems a bit much for one car.
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I just installed my Conti DWS on a 135i with 9400 miles. Taking off the Dunlop RFTs. I got the 1 size up front and rear with XL load rated tires on the front 225s.

I drove them home today on a real curvey road and with the pressure a little bit higher than I will run 44r 41f the ride quality was equal to stock RFTs. Handling was as noted above. Initial turn in is not as fast as RFTs but its not bad by any means, just slightly slower. Grip seemed good and I could go as fast as I cared to on public roads without any slippage with DTS on or off.

Overall I am happy but I will likely lower the pressure to 41/39F to see how that feels and adjust from there until I get the ride and handling combo I am looking for.

If the mileage on the tires is decent I will be happy. And yes I got them from Gil at Tire Rack
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I must be missing something, the video just goes over the same results as the graphs. The DWS having numb oncenter driving and slower steering response in dry conditions isn't what I'm looking for in a tire. It did perform the best in the wet, but how often am I going to be pushing it in the rain? Add that to the fact that I waited 5 months for tire rack to try to get a set in for my MDX that I finally just gave up and went with the Yoko ENVigors instead. They've now been on backorder for 9 months in a 255/55/18 size, good job Continental, glad I didn't wait.
well it all comes down to what are you willing to compromise on. for me the slower steering response wasn't a big deal but the overall all season performance of the DWS' was. I get my lead out on the track so I don't need razor sharp responses for daily driving. everyone has a different set of requirements so if you have found your perfect compromise then all the best to you
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Any pictures of DWS's on a 1? I'm just curious how the tread will look with the performance stance of the car
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Thank you everyone for the responses and the picture! I appreciate it. One more thing.....I read that they are quiet, but the high angle of center section tread pattern makes me think that they may "buzz" more than tires that are more "square." Any impressions?
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Thank you everyone for the responses and the picture! I appreciate it. One more thing.....I read that they are quiet, but the high angle of center section tread pattern makes me think that they may "buzz" more than tires that are more "square." Any impressions?
I bought these tires for their low noise and comfort ratings. They are very quiet.
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Thanks again everyone! I decided to get DWS!
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What pressure are you all running on your Contis?
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How are you DWS holding up mileage wise after this time?

I am at about 15K and the rears are feathering a lot. I normally run about 35-37psi and 35 on the front. Unless I am headed to the mountains for a drive then I bump it up a bit.
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