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as7920 · 12-10-2010, 01:49 PM

Taken from BMW UK:

http://bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/index/0,,1156...bmwuk,00.html#

Prices:
1M = 46,000
TT RS = 65,000
Cayman R = 66,000

SlicktopTTZ · 12-10-2010, 01:59 PM

Ok, this is getting retarded. Is it twin-turbo or twin-scroll? I've seen mixed answers......

Sugarphreak · 12-10-2010, 02:03 PM

The Cayman R is also launching right now, seems like it should be on that comparison instead of the "S"

Future M1 owner · 12-10-2010, 02:03 PM

Twin turbo. As in two.

as7920 · 12-10-2010, 02:04 PM

LOL yes and I keep seeing 335bhp and 340bhp.

I wish they would make up their minds!

335bhp = 340PS
340bhp = 345PS

Which one will it be!

SlicktopTTZ · 12-10-2010, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Future M1 owner

Twin turbo. As in two.

Are you sure? The catalog says TwinPower turbo. SCOTT26 said it would be a N engine "hybrid".

Robert · 12-10-2010, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugarphreak

The Cayman R is also launching right now, seems like it should be on that comparison instead of the "S"

The R won't be significantly faster than the S, but driving dynamics may be different. I believe it's only 150 lbs lighter than the S with only 15 hp gain. I believe all those 0-60 numbers are conservative.

MDORPHN · 12-10-2010, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

Are you sure? The catalog says TwinPower turbo. SCOTT26 said it would be a N engine "hybrid".

YES, it has two turbos.

Neil

JHOOPS2 · 12-10-2010, 02:38 PM

For pete's sake, it's twin turbo. You can tell by the pics. You can see the DV lines, running just like on the N54 in all of the other N54 powered x35i's.

Sugarphreak · 12-10-2010, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert

The R won't be significantly faster than the S, but driving dynamics may be different. I believe it's only 150 lbs lighter than the S with only 15 hp gain. I believe all those 0-60 numbers are conservative.

Isn't that kind of like the 135i and the 1M?

Ba-da-dum-pashhhhiii

haha, sorry... that is some bad humor

tonmonde · 12-10-2010, 03:16 PM

yes its N54

SlicktopTTZ · 12-10-2010, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

For pete's sake, it's twin turbo. You can tell by the pics. You can see the DV lines, running just like on the N54 in all of the other N54 powered x35i's.

Ha, save Pete's sake. The ONLY reason I was questioning is because I THOUGHT that a high quality, established business like BMW would be able to correctly market its car.

Apparently the people writing the 1M catalog material could not decide if it was twin-turbo or not either......

Robert · 12-10-2010, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugarphreak

Isn't that kind of like the 135i and the 1M?

Ba-da-dum-pashhhhiii

haha, sorry... that is some bad humor

I know I didn't want to go there and come off like a Debbie Downer all the timer.

49ER ROLL · 12-10-2010, 03:22 PM

i'd like to see comparos in the 1m's price range.

SlicktopTTZ · 12-10-2010, 03:24 PM

Supposedly Jurgen Schwenker himself stated that it is "A very free-revving six-cylinder in-line engine with BMW M TwinPower Turbo technology and 340HP."

JHOOPS2 · 12-10-2010, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

Ha, save Pete's sake. The ONLY reason I was questioning is because I THOUGHT that a high quality, established business like BMW would be able to correctly market its car.

Apparently the people writing the 1M catalog material could not decide if it was twin-turbo or not either......

Yeah, I just like throwing Pete under the bus from time to time

Sugarphreak · 12-10-2010, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar This

i'd like to see comparos in the 1m's price range.

1M is the clear winner between the German purist coupes (base price comparo)

1M = 46,000
TT RS = 65,000
Cayman R = 66,000

Other cars that might be considered purist competitors;

Subaru STi = 38,000
Mitsu Evo = 34,000

MB135i · 12-10-2010, 04:17 PM

with the TTRS make it to the USA?

Sugarphreak · 12-10-2010, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MB135i

with the TTRS make it to the USA?

You betcha!

http://blog.caranddriver.com/hooray-...-by-late-2011/

I little more grunt and a little less girth than the 1M... but then agian the price reflects that. The 1M is still a huge bang for your buck in comparison.

PyratOne · 12-10-2010, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugarphreak

You betcha!

http://blog.caranddriver.com/hooray-...-by-late-2011/

I little more grunt and a little less girth than the 1M... but then agian the price reflects that. The 1M is still a huge bang for your buck in comparison.

Yeah, I think that point is being lost on some folks. I can understand it. The 1M is on comparison to cars what?....20-30% more expensive. 1M seems a real value to me.

ALPINE6SPD · 12-10-2010, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugarphreak

The Cayman R is also launching right now, seems like it should be on that comparison instead of the "S"

How the 1 series M is 45k and the Cayman is 70k?

Sugarphreak · 12-10-2010, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALPINE6SPD

How the 1 series M is 45k and the Cayman is 70k?

Is that a question for me or just rhetorical?

I got the pricing of the 1M off the big info release on this site, first page... first post, you have to click "pricing"
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463733

I got the Porsche pricing off the US website;
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayman/cayman-r/

I have no idea why the Cayman is priced as high as it is... name presitge I guess.

12-10-2010, 01:49 PM	#1
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JHOOPS2 AKA HISSMAN Drives: 2009 SG 135i Coupe' Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: USA Posts: 884 iTrader: (5)	For pete's sake, it's twin turbo. You can tell by the pics. You can see the DV lines, running just like on the N54 in all of the other N54 powered x35i's. __________________ (FBO) Cobb Stage 2+, AR Downpipes, Injen DCI, AA (Sport) FMIC, ER Chargepipe/Synapse BOV, Carbon fiber bits and Breyton GTS-R Wheels.

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tonmonde Second Lieutenant Drives: e82, e93 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 296 iTrader: (1)	yes its N54 __________________ e60, e90, e92, e82 : retired e93 n55: active F30 335 ED 09/10/12

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12-10-2010, 01:59 PM	#2
SlicktopTTZ Captain Drives: 91 300ZX Twin-Turbo, 2010 135i Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas Posts: 686 iTrader: (0)	Ok, this is getting retarded. Is it twin-turbo or twin-scroll? I've seen mixed answers......

12-10-2010, 02:03 PM	#3
Sugarphreak Private Drives: Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 83 iTrader: (0)	The Cayman R is also launching right now, seems like it should be on that comparison instead of the "S"

12-10-2010, 02:03 PM	#4
Future M1 owner Private First Class Drives: No BMW atm Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: South America Posts: 126 iTrader: (0)	Twin turbo. As in two.

12-10-2010, 02:04 PM	#5
as7920 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: AW M135i 5dr auto Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,666 iTrader: (0)	LOL yes and I keep seeing 335bhp and 340bhp. I wish they would make up their minds! 335bhp = 340PS 340bhp = 345PS Which one will it be!

12-10-2010, 03:22 PM	#14
49ER ROLL ///Mmm Drives: 2011 M3 E92 SG Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Peninsula Bay Area Posts: 3,032 iTrader: (0)	i'd like to see comparos in the 1m's price range.

12-10-2010, 03:24 PM	#15
SlicktopTTZ Captain Drives: 91 300ZX Twin-Turbo, 2010 135i Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas Posts: 686 iTrader: (0)	Supposedly Jurgen Schwenker himself stated that it is "A very free-revving six-cylinder in-line engine with BMW M TwinPower Turbo technology and 340HP."