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      03-15-2005, 05:18 PM   #1
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Following PDF contains European Delivery suggested retail prices and confidential wholesale prices.

SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICES and CONFIDENTIAL WHOLESALE PRICES




Use this European Delivery price calculator to automatically calculate the price of the E90 you're looking to buy. (Need Excel to run this.)

CLICK HERE FOR PRICE CALCULATOR
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      04-26-2005, 07:05 AM   #2
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Euro Delivery and Leasing Fraud Warning

A common dealer scam, that BMW is aware of and does nothing to stop, is this. Dealers routinely calculate the residual value based of European Delivery MSRP. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. The car is resold in the US. Euro Delivery cars are not worth less than US Delivery cars. The only correct way to calculate the residual value is to use US MSRP. I have complained repeatedly to BMW North America, and BMW Finacial Services about this fraud by the dealers. They admit that it is wrong, but they do nothing to stop this fraud. BMW makes great cars, but they are ignoring fraud on this one. I am not talking chump change in terms of the dollar difference. The issue here thousands of dollars on one lease.
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so how do you combat this problem? do you confront them, and then what do you say?
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so how do you combat this problem? do you confront them, and then what do you say?

I got an e-mail today from BMW NA today. They recently notified the dealers that this is no longer acceptable. On a 2001 530 Euro Delivery I paid over $2,000 extra on the lease because of this sleight of hand by the dealer. Finally BMW is cracking down on the dealers for this.

Always check the math, using a program like "lease wizard". The salesman typically does not explain the lease payment math so it is up to the buyer to check their math. BMW money factors are posted on RF on the lease finance section. You can tell the dealer that now it is contrary to BMW policy to base the residual value on US MSRP for Euro Delivery.
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      04-26-2005, 09:11 PM   #5
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And to think some people dont have the internet!
way to go guys
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Euro Delivery Pricing



Is invoice and retail pricing of options for the E90 the same for European Delivery as it is for US dealer delivery?

Thanks so much.
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Prices of the options are the same for US or Euro Delivery. The difference in the price you'll pay is:

1) The automatic ~$2500 BMW gives you off the price of the ED car.
2) Being able to get an ED car for about $1500 over ED invoice vs. $1K off MSRP for US Delivery.

It all works out to roughly $5K in savings on a 330i.
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European Delivery Information

European delivery, I heard from a dealer that you have to stay in europe for 3 weeks to 6 months to do the ED????? IS THIS TRUE?
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Heh I want some of what your dealer is

Did he explain why there would be such a requirement? Fellow member ziv basically flew into Germany Monday for ED delivery yesterday and I believe he's already on his way back to the U.S. today.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289

By the way, from what members have been saying, ED seems to be the real deal in terms of saving a substantial amount of money. Definitely consider it.
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jwocky, yea, i spoken to ziv before and he got a nicer deal but i was able to pull a slightly better one...perhaps if u ask for more dealers would actually give it to you. I was just worried because I spoke with another dealer and he just said that I have to stay for 3 weeks!! haha...just wanted to confirm with you guys
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Absolutely not. I'm going for a week on May 24th and saved about $4000 off of U.S. M.S.R.P.
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Euro Delivery is an awesome option for anybody who has a car to drive while waiting for it to get shipped back to them in the U.S. Unfortunately my situation is such that I move and have to leave my old car behind after I return from Europe. So I'd need to rent a car for up to 8 weeks which would put such a dent in the savings that it wouldn't be such a great deal for me anymore. Oh well maybe next time
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How much is the shipping of the vehicle back to the US? Thanks.
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I'm picking up my E90 in Munich around mid-June. I'm still waiting for an exact production date. I've only been told late May.

With ED, the car will be registered with German export plates while in Europe and while in transit. Basically, a German tag with a red striped sticker to indicate that the car is cleared to be exported out of Germany.

ED also comes with one month's worth of insurance. Anything longer than that, you have to arrange for additional insurance coverage.

There are also numerous drop off points in Europe so you are not limited to dropping it off in Munich. I've seen some posts where people dropped-off their cars in Switzerland. Me personally, I will drop off my car in Frankfurt, Germany where it will be trucked to the port of Bremmen, where it will be shipped to California. Be aware though that different drop off points have different costs associated with them.

I was also told that you can pickup the car from the factory and drive it straight to the drop-off point in Munich. But why do that when you are already in Europe and have autobahns waiting for your E90 to be driven on.

The cost is free for ED, actually the cost is already factored into the price. For me, since I'm getting it through U.S. Military Sales, I have to pay an additional $700 for the shipping because I was told that cost wasn't factored in yet since many military members use other means to ship the car back to the U.S.

Hope this helps.

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So you save considerable money, you get a month's insurance in Germany (I think we all know how driver friendly it is there), and you get it shipped back to you in the US at no extra charge?

Other than the time and the travel involved in the ED program, are there any other factors to consider? Currency exchange rates, import or export tariffs/taxes, unreliable or careless handlers during the shipping process, etc?

Also, do they ship it back to you at a BMW dealership of your choice in the US?
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There are no tariffs to consider. Euro Delivery is not you importing what was a European car into the U.S. What it is is you ordering your U.S. spec car exactly the way you like it through a dealer, it gets produced in Germany as usual.

The only difference comes in this stage. Instead of rolling off the assembly line and going straight to the docks to be shipped to you, the process is paused here. You show up in Munich, and you get to drive it wherever you want in Europe for a period of time, then drop it off to BMW at certain drop points.

At that point the car is shipped back to the U.S. just like other cars that haven't been driven yet. When it gets here, it goes through exactly the same process as all the new cars which includes Vehicle Prep at BMW's specific vehicle prep locations, removing dings from transportation if any, etc.

Then the car is delivered to you again at the dealer of your choice.
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Another great reason to do Euro Delivery is ...................... the Autobahn, the best constructed highway in the world. Most of it, traffic permitting, has no speed limit. After you pass the 1,200 mile break-in period, you can drive the car to see what it was engineered to do. There is nothing like driving a Bimmer 135 mph or higher on the Autobahn. That is my wife's limit. Next time when I get to the magic 1,200 mile number, I will leave her at a gas station while I have fun. BMWs are rock solid at high speed. High speed driving on the Autobahn is an amazing experience.
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ED also comes with one month's worth of insurance. Anything longer than that, you have to arrange for additional insurance coverage.
Only two weeks now.
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Tons of people have asked me about the program. I'm pasting an email I sent them:

So for a full explanation of the program, check out BMW's web site. They do a great job explaining the program. Also, take a look at the email below. I sent it to another member. Let me know if after reading the "official" web site and my email, you still have questions. ALL of your questions are great, and very valid. Here goes:



Here is all the info:



Ziggy (owner)

Continental Motors

(760) 722-1868

601 South Coast Highway

Oceanside CA 92049-0296

contmotors@earthlink.net



I’m also enclosing the pricelist that no one should really see J By now, it’s public knowledge, but is just hard to get. Go to page 2 of the price list, and take a look at the 2nd line from the top, 25645 and 30720



Basically the Euro Invoice is about 5-7% lower then the US invoice. The way that you figure out your price with Ziggy is very simple:



Euro Invoice +

Invoice on all the options (compare the invoice on the options to KBB and you’ll see that they’re identical. The only difference is the Euro Invoice) +

Destination charge which is at the bottom of the 2nd page +

$1500 profit to him (I hope he’ll give you this deal too)



That’s it.



If you compare this price, to (US sticker) + (sticker on all the options), that’s the amount of money you’ll be saving. In fact, if you can get the car for sticker, you would be lucky. At least here in the bay area (CA), dealers are such jerks, and especially on new cars – they jack up the price above sticker.



When I did ED 4.5 years ago, I saved over $10K because I got a fully loaded 2001 330Ci and as I was adding the options, my savings went up. Now, all I’m doing is paint + sports pkg, so my savings will be around $5000. $6000 if you account for the savings due to tax.



It’s a great deal. I will never buy a BMW any other way.



The reason that you save so much money is that the dealers in the US have a fixed allocation per year on the cars they get from the factory. So they don’t want to go down too much because it cuts into their bottom line profits. The car they sell through the ED program are beyond their allocation. So they’re just bonus for them – thus, they agree to give us a great deal. Now, not everyone agrees to. Most dealers will just give you the car for ED Sticker and sticker on all the options. You end up saving like $2000. When you figure the cost of your trip, the loss of use for 2 months of not having the car, etc…, it doesn’t work out. That’s why I had to go to San Diego. All the dealers in the bay area are jerks. Ziggy, in San Diego bought his dealership from his dad, and promised him that he’ll never charge over sticker for anything. When dealers in the bay area were charging $300K for the Z8 he charged sticker. Same goes for the M3 and M5 that was going for $25K over sticker in the bay area, and he only charged sticker. So people from the whole US go to him. I found him through the boards, about 5 years ago, and have referred tons of people to him J



You have to pay for the car, in full, one month before you pick it up. If you can’t pay cash for it, you can finance through BMW Financial Services. If you later find a better rate through your local credit union, you can refi. On my 330Ci, 5 years ago, I didn’t find a better rate then BMW. So I stayed with them until I bought a house, and then I paid for the car with my 2nd mortgage. On the car that I just bought now, I had money from the insurance company (I totaled it), so it was pretty much paid off when I sent Ziggy the check.



You order the car, pay 1 month before you pick it up, and then you fly out to Munich to pick it up. Only YOU can pick it up (they check your passport). Then, you can drive it for up to 2 weeks, with full insurance throughout Europe. Then, you drop it off at any of 25 ports (this is all explained online). The car is then put on a boat, and it arrives back to the dealer that you bought it from. You don’t pay for shipping and there are no hidden costs beyond what you already paid before. That’s it J



Let me know if I can help some more. I’ve already helped several of my friends and some other people online.



Ciao ---



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I received better pricing. Here is another quality guy to deal with on a Euro Delivery car.

Franco Karzag at Santa Barbara BMW is awesome. Great price, knowledgeable, and great to deal with. I am in Chicago. I leased an e90 for my son in LA. Deal was very smooth. You cannot do any better than Franco.

11.15.05 I learned that Franco left. Because of my son's schedule I had to cancel the order. When I reordered for 12.19.05 pickup in Munich, the dealership would not honor the previous amount of profit and the BMWFS "buy rate" as we agreed. I ended up with a great deal from Kelli Ho at Pacific BMW in Glendale, California.
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