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TEUFELHUNDE · 04-12-2011, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Papethova

The 4.6 is for the US spec car, the one in the shootout was the euro spec car.

"The Audi TT-RS will be powered by a turbocharged 2.5-liter five-cylinder engine that will deliver an extra 20 HP compared to the European model".

How about you read...

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TEUFELHUNDE · 04-12-2011, 12:03 AM

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/audi/20...-ar104856.html

Papethova · 04-12-2011, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEUFELHUNDE

"The Audi TT-RS will be powered by a turbocharged 2.5-liter five-cylinder engine that will deliver an extra 20 HP compared to the European model".

How about you read...

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and wont have DCT and im pretty sure that it will not have launch control. I havent researched the Audi, but I know the euro and US spec arent the same so quoting the time from the wrong one isnt gonna work.

If youre gonna throw numbers out then throw the right numbers. I am not saying it can do 3.6, im simply saying THAT 4.6 youre quoting isnt for THIS car. How about YOU read?

adrean8j · 04-12-2011, 02:11 AM

DevilDog: Do you have Forum Tourette's? Just post one post with your responses not 4 different onese in a row.....and besides what the hell are you arguing? We have already pretty much established that the test car probably had more HP than quoted.

MrRoboto · 04-12-2011, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papethova

The 4.6 is for the US spec car, the one in the shootout was the euro spec car.

4.6 comes from the Audi.de website which would be the European model.

hwelvaar · 04-12-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MrRoboto

4.6 comes from the Audi.de website which would be the European model.

I don't believe Audi would spec the performance different for US TT-RS.
Imagine how all non-US customers would feel.

TEUFELHUNDE · 04-12-2011, 11:11 AM

Wow....so with the awd and the 6spd manual and the 360hp 20 extra...forget the extra horse power. This will go a whole second quicker to 60 just with "DCT" haaaahaaaaaaaaaa oo no im sorry DSG. I dont care who the hell you are the DCT in a 135i is not launching our car a whole second faster 0 to 60 its like 4.7 I see some places, 4.8 and the manual is rated 4.8 some places...4.9 so this makes no sense at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papethova

and wont have DCT and im pretty sure that it will not have launch control. I havent researched the Audi, but I know the euro and US spec arent the same so quoting the time from the wrong one isnt gonna work.

If youre gonna throw numbers out then throw the right numbers. I am not saying it can do 3.6, im simply saying THAT 4.6 youre quoting isnt for THIS car. How about YOU read?

///M1 · 04-12-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by hwelvaar

I don't believe Audi would spec the performance different for US TT-RS.
Imagine how all non-US customers would feel.

It will be a relative 'minor' 20HP bump, but it will be a different output than the Euro cars. It all has to do with market dynamics in the US, the competitors here, and the relative hunger of US yanks for MOAR POWAR!

TEUFELHUNDE · 04-12-2011, 11:16 AM

So you "read" because its the same car even more power....forget your DSG there is no way a car is gonna go from being quick to FAST by DSG getting put in it. Its not like the euro has the added power like the us spec. So my whole point was the DSG's quicker shifts and little better throttle response. Im sure the added 20 horse in the manual would make up for that. I dont need to be moses to figure that one out.

TEUFELHUNDE · 04-12-2011, 11:20 AM

Ummm they did because they were not offering the DSG. So that was there way of making the car feel the same performance wise as the DSG version. And everywhere I searched on the spaceship looking bubble It's doing 4.4 and 4.6 0to60. 5th gear's review,top gear, motor trend. Shall I go on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hwelvaar

I don't believe Audi would spec the performance different for US TT-RS.
Imagine how all non-US customers would feel.

TEUFELHUNDE · 04-12-2011, 11:23 AM

Correct. But I cant imagine a DSG making a car feel like it has 100hp difference I highly doubt this. A whole second faster 0to60 face palm.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///M1

It will be a relative 'minor' 20HP bump, but it will be a different output than the Euro cars. It all has to do with market dynamics in the US, the competitors here, and the relative hunger of US yanks for MOAR POWAR!

adrean8j · 04-12-2011, 11:43 AM

^^^The little symbol to the "right" (your military right Marine)of the "quote" button is the "multi-quote" button...just click on the posts you want to quote and insert your comments between them...then you won't have 3-4 separate posts for everything you want to comment on.

Papethova · 04-12-2011, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEUFELHUNDE

Wow....so with the awd and the 6spd manual and the 360hp 20 extra...forget the extra horse power. This will go a whole second quicker to 60 just with "DCT" haaaahaaaaaaaaaa oo no im sorry DSG. I dont care who the hell you are the DCT in a 135i is not launching our car a whole second faster 0 to 60 its like 4.7 I see some places, 4.8 and the manual is rated 4.8 some places...4.9 so this makes no sense at all.

I NEVER said it makes a 1 sec difference, I just pointed out they are different models.

If you read the thread most people agreed/felt it was a ringer.

mad chemist · 04-12-2011, 02:06 PM

Looks like another completely stock 340 bhp TTRS s-tronic has done similar numbers to C&D.

http://www.vagoc.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=7468

TEUFELHUNDE · 04-12-2011, 03:29 PM

Sorry, by seeing how many posts Ive made you can tell Im not a forum "guru".Funny how you knew what TEUFELHUNDEN means.

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Originally Posted by adrean8j

^^^The little symbol to the "right" (your military right Marine)of the "quote" button is the "multi-quote" button...just click on the posts you want to quote and insert your comments between them...then you won't have 3-4 separate posts for everything you want to comment on.

JHOOPS2 · 04-12-2011, 03:45 PM

Lots of conjecture about what the car will do when no one has even driven the manual version in a test setting that I know of.

conneem-TT · 04-12-2011, 04:35 PM

Ok, the first proper acceleration video of a UK S-Tronic TTRS has just been put up on youtube, take from it what you like.

Movie maker times it 3.75s 0-60 and 8.9s 0-100 (of course there will be some speedo error, so 0-100 probably takes a bit longer if measured by gps)

MrRoboto · 04-12-2011, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conneem-TT

Ok, the first proper acceleration video of a UK S-Tronic TTRS has just been put up on youtube, take from it what you like.

Movie maker times it 3.75s 0-60 and 8.9s 0-100 (of course there will be some speedo error, so 0-100 probably takes a bit longer if measured by gps)

Times by 'movie maker'...give it a rest dude. This is getting ridiculous.

conneem-TT · 04-12-2011, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Times by 'movie maker'...give it a rest dude. This is getting ridiculous.

That's why I said take from it what you like. I just thought people might like to see it as it is one of the first UK models.

It has been tested in Europe by AMS 0-100km/h in 3,9s, so while alot may be right in saying it may have more power than they say, it does it seems they are all like that

Oh and Movie maker is quite accurate at time measuring if you take what is on screen to be 100% accurate (which it isn't as I mentioned also)

formula M · 04-13-2011, 02:39 AM

It doesn't matter if it is 3.6s, or 3.8s, or even 4.2s... it's pretty damn quick.

Why all the focus on such a small dynamic of a car's vastness..? We understand they may be inaccuracies in the data. But safe to say that a car that 100lbs lighter, all wheel drive and roughly the same engine, WILL out accelerate the other... duh.

None of the "exact-a-tudes" matter, as every surface, every driver is different, so the values are insignificant, other than to illustrate that the Audi has more quickness..!

Point taken.

RPM90 · 04-14-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mad chemist

Looks like another completely stock 340 bhp TTRS s-tronic has done similar numbers to C&D.

http://www.vagoc.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=7468

Kinda hard to get accurate, but it looks like 4.0 or a bit less to 60.
It's not closer to 5sec, much closer to 4.
Man, that is fast.

If it's under rated so what?
I don't see why that's a problem for any owner. If it were slower than advertised or expected, then sure I'd be po'd, but if it's faster and more powerful even BETTER!
Some thought the 135i was under rated, as well other BMW's have been "accused" of being under rated. But again, so what?

I just don't see why a manufacturer would under rate a car they are selling. If it produces the power, then why not advertise it, especially if the performance is there.

conneem-TT · 04-15-2011, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RPM90

I just don't see why a manufacturer would under rate a car they are selling. If it produces the power, then why not advertise it, especially if the performance is there.

It's just all marketing and to make it fit in their range without ruffling the feather's of people purchasing more expensive models.

Looking at the video's WLKSFTLY posted of his and the short time it gets from 100-160km/h and the way it zings at the top of the rev range compared to a z4 35is it wouldn't surprise me if his has a more muscular torque curve than in the published material but that just makes it even better

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TEUFELHUNDE USMC Lance corporal Drives: 2011 135i aw w/coral red int. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: N.New jersey Posts: 180 iTrader: (0)	http://www.topspeed.com/cars/audi/20...-ar104856.html __________________ N55 6spd, M-sport nav,ipod,BMW kidney grills,amber gones,GP H8 8500k,GP H3 4500k,6k headlight bulbs, de-badged, 20 % tints, icarbon spoiler. AFE air scoops,Berk full sport exhaust, CDV mod, BMS stage 1, Berk down pipe, injen intake,carbon splitters, carbon mirror caps. custom black and flat clear interior trim pieces. interior mods. eibach lowering springs, nitto 555 tires.

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TEUFELHUNDE USMC Lance corporal Drives: 2011 135i aw w/coral red int. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: N.New jersey Posts: 180 iTrader: (0)	So you "read" because its the same car even more power....forget your DSG there is no way a car is gonna go from being quick to FAST by DSG getting put in it. Its not like the euro has the added power like the us spec. So my whole point was the DSG's quicker shifts and little better throttle response. Im sure the added 20 horse in the manual would make up for that. I dont need to be moses to figure that one out. __________________ N55 6spd, M-sport nav,ipod,BMW kidney grills,amber gones,GP H8 8500k,GP H3 4500k,6k headlight bulbs, de-badged, 20 % tints, icarbon spoiler. AFE air scoops,Berk full sport exhaust, CDV mod, BMS stage 1, Berk down pipe, injen intake,carbon splitters, carbon mirror caps. custom black and flat clear interior trim pieces. interior mods. eibach lowering springs, nitto 555 tires.

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JHOOPS2 AKA HISSMAN Drives: 2009 SG 135i Coupe' Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: USA Posts: 884 iTrader: (5)	Lots of conjecture about what the car will do when no one has even driven the manual version in a test setting that I know of. __________________ (FBO) Cobb Stage 2+, AR Downpipes, Injen DCI, AA (Sport) FMIC, ER Chargepipe/Synapse BOV, Carbon fiber bits and Breyton GTS-R Wheels.

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formula M in the shadows.. Drives: M2 turbo coupe.. if Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Urban tarmac Posts: 1,069 iTrader: (0)	It doesn't matter if it is 3.6s, or 3.8s, or even 4.2s... it's pretty damn quick. Why all the focus on such a small dynamic of a car's vastness..? We understand they may be inaccuracies in the data. But safe to say that a car that 100lbs lighter, all wheel drive and roughly the same engine, WILL out accelerate the other... duh. None of the "exact-a-tudes" matter, as every surface, every driver is different, so the values are insignificant, other than to illustrate that the Audi has more quickness..! Point taken. __________________ 2012 BMW DTM livery

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mad chemist First Lieutenant Drives: TTRS Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: South East Posts: 320 iTrader: (0)	Looks like another completely stock 340 bhp TTRS s-tronic has done similar numbers to C&D. http://www.vagoc.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=7468

04-12-2011, 04:35 PM	#413
conneem-TT Private First Class Drives: Audi TT TFSI Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ireland/Scotland Posts: 117 iTrader: (0)	Ok, the first proper acceleration video of a UK S-Tronic TTRS has just been put up on youtube, take from it what you like. Movie maker times it 3.75s 0-60 and 8.9s 0-100 (of course there will be some speedo error, so 0-100 probably takes a bit longer if measured by gps)