TC Kline vs. Vorshlag - Camber Plates

[HP Autowerks]

Originally Posted by GaryS

Does it work with ordinary Sports and FSDs?

No, as it was designed around a coilover setup with 60m mor 2.25" springs and not oem profile.

[SiN55]

Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

Yes, Vorshlag plates are of a modular design. All you need is the KW V3 top perches.

Is there any problem because of springs on KW3? Heard about some problems but I'm not shure.

[HP Autowerks]

Originally Posted by SiN55

Is there any problem because of springs on KW3? Heard about some problems but I'm not shure.

Vorshlag with KW V series perches are proven. No issues that I know of. What have you heard?

[GaryS]

^^ I remember Orb's posts about some kind of measuring problem. I imagine that got fixed long ago.

[icabod7]

Originally Posted by GaryS

^^ I remember Orb's posts about some kind of measuring problem. I imagine that got fixed long ago.

Just read that post a couple of days ago:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233044

Can someone, maybe Harold, let us know whether Orb's concern has been addressed in this newest iteration of Vorshlag camber plates?

[Orb]

Originally Posted by icabod7

Just read that post a couple of days ago:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233044

Can someone, maybe Harold, let us know whether Orb's concern has been addressed in this newest iteration of Vorshlag camber plates?

That is an old thread. The fact is they cannot fix this unless they change the design. They know about the many problems and so does at least one race team who use to use their product. Anyone who is paying attention will realize the stack height is wrong and you will lose travel with a OEM spring or race springs. If you want to look the other way then by all means buy them.

Try Ground control at least it is well executed design and the stack heights are correct. KW camber plates are going to be the quiet since they do have isolation, some spring force line compensation and they are sealed.

Camber plates with no thrust bearing are best seen at the bottom of garbage can. This means TC Kline and the rest of the junk out there.

[dsm 135i]

TC Kline has some new camber plates.

http://www.tcklineracing.com/webdocs...Details811.cfm

[MM135]

Bump for an old thread....


I have stock suspension and am looking to get Camber plates to improve handling for Autox-ing...

From what i am reading so far, the two options if you have stock Susp. are the Ground Control or Vorshlag...

Here is my question - Which one will work best with stock susp. and which one is easiest to adjust?? I believe i read that they both offer up to -3deg, correct?

ALSO - I plan to get a set of springs soon... but want the camber plates first... using a set-up for "Stock Susp." will it still work if i get a set of H&R or Eibach springs?

THANKS!

[cpt97m3]

Originally Posted by MM135

Bump for an old thread....


I have stock suspension and am looking to get Camber plates to improve handling for Autox-ing...

From what i am reading so far, the two options if you have stock Susp. are the Ground Control or Vorshlag...

Here is my question - Which one will work best with stock susp. and which one is easiest to adjust?? I believe i read that they both offer up to -3deg, correct?

ALSO - I plan to get a set of springs soon... but want the camber plates first... using a set-up for "Stock Susp." will it still work if i get a set of H&R or Eibach springs?

THANKS!

Ground Control actually has 3 plates, street, hybrid, and race. I'm using the ground control street plates which don't have the metal bearings of the race plates. Vorshlag has has the metal bearings like the ground control race plates, but can work with OE or OE style springs like H&R. Both are easy to adjust and should offer similar max camber. It's limited by the opening up top. For street use, I like the GC Street plates, but if you want something more aggressive, the Vorshlag ones are great plates. Also, the GC street plates don't adjust caster, but the race plates do, and the Vorshlag plates do. I don't mind the lack of caster adjustment since it let's you get max camber, and there is a small amount of caster adjustment to let you even out the sides, but not change it much.

[cvc 22349a]

Originally Posted by fboutlaw

So far I have experience with 2 camber plates:
- Dinan
- Vorshlaq

I used the Dinan for about 6 months and there were no issues. The camber just wasn't aggressive enough for autox (somewhere around 1.5 deg).

Just installed the Vorshlaq camber plates this last weekend with the Dinan suspension (stock size springs, koni struts) and while the process is a pain to install them, it was pretty straight forward. So far I've had no noise from the plates, but I can see how some would. You need to re-use the stock rubber protector ring at the top of the springs, that way there's no metal on metal contact. If you leave out the rubber ring you'll have metal on metal rubbing and probably noise.

So far, I would definitely recommend using the vorshlaq's. You can move the strut the full play within the upper strut mount, which gives you max negative camber without modifying the chassis.

Did you measure how much the Dinan plates raised the front of the car?

[fboutlaw]

Originally Posted by cvc 22349a

Did you measure how much the Dinan plates raised the front of the car?

Dinan plates are really just a single piece of metal. It's roughly 1/8" thick, which would directly result in height raise in the front.

On my car I didn't measure. Sorry.

[cpt97m3]

Originally Posted by fboutlaw

Dinan plates are really just a single piece of metal. It's roughly 1/8" thick, which would directly result in height raise in the front.

On my car I didn't measure. Sorry.

I had them on my car before the ground control plates. I measured mine, and they are exactly 1/8" thick, so that's how much they will raise the car. Not something I noticed though.

[MM135]

Do any of you know is the "stock" style GC camber plates will work with Koni Yellows??

I just bought these ad some eibach springs that I wan to pair with konis but I am not sure if these cner plates are compatible with the Koni yellows

[MadMan77]

Originally Posted by cpt97m3

Ground Control actually has 3 plates, street, hybrid, and race. I'm using the ground control street plates which don't have the metal bearings of the race plates. Vorshlag has has the metal bearings like the ground control race plates, but can work with OE or OE style springs like H&R. Both are easy to adjust and should offer similar max camber. It's limited by the opening up top. For street use, I like the GC Street plates, but if you want something more aggressive, the Vorshlag ones are great plates. Also, the GC street plates don't adjust caster, but the race plates do, and the Vorshlag plates do. I don't mind the lack of caster adjustment since it let's you get max camber, and there is a small amount of caster adjustment to let you even out the sides, but not change it much.

What information do we have on the GC hybrid plates? Looking to pair them with Ohlins R&T soon.