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      04-21-2011, 08:47 AM   #1
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Autobild has just published a comparison test between the 1M and the Porsche Cayman R equipped with 7-speed PDK. We're happy to share that the 1M won this comparison (besting the Cayman R by 1 point). The 1M coupe performs only slightly worse than the Cayman R, yet it offers better overall comfort and low-end power. All this for roughly EUR 25k less!

1M coupe performance data:
0-62mph: 4.8s [Porsche 4.6s]
0-124mph: 17.8s [Porsche 16.4s]
ContidromTrack time: 1:35.76 [Porsche 1:34.21]

Here are some select quotes from the Autobild comparison:

""M" as in man toy - the 1M's appearance alone seems to confirm that. Understated is something else. Front aprons in Darth Vader style, quad-exhaust and diffuser at the rear, and the massive fender flares catch the eye."

"The 3-litre biturbo inline 6 and its deep bass takes on the Cayman R"

"The interior of the 1M is a bit disappointing as it's not that spectacular - despite alcantara bits, M steering wheel and red stitching."

"Unlike the Porsche, the 1M offers plenty of power throughout the whole engine speed range. It outperforms pretty much any Cayman - but not the Cayman R. The weight difference of 128kg (1M: 1536kg - Cayman R: 1408kg) can't be denied, thus the Cayman R is able to walk away easily. The same applies when it comes to cornering, despite the effective LSD in the 1M. The BMW shows more roll and has too much weight over the front axle (52% - Cayman R: 44%)."

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      04-21-2011, 05:13 PM   #2
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What's biased is the "too much weight over the front axle" comment. Purely subjective... Guess that's a 50-50 weight bias vs. 40-60 bias debate.
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Hiiimmm...

I don't trust this review. Especially when they posted the performance numbers. Also, it is really pointless to compare LWT version of a car, with a standard coupe. More proper comparison -still a bit off- should have been Cayman S.
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      04-21-2011, 05:17 PM   #4
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Autobild timed the M3 e92 at 1.35:1 around Contidrom. Just barely faster than the 1M, barely slower than the caymenne R. Good job 1M.
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1M does it again!!
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      04-21-2011, 05:25 PM   #6
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what kind of a fail article is that? the 1m loses in every performance metric but wins overall.

so the more comfortable seats must be worth a lot more than 0-60 times.
How about the fact that the Porsche costs 50% more ?!
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      04-21-2011, 05:37 PM   #7
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Price guys! Price!!!!, a ferrari out performs the 1 m, but it,s moreeeeeeeee money!!!
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1M must be very good to drive.
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it costs more and it delivers more. how can a car that lost in every performance comparison be the better car?

maybe the better value but not the better car. whatever those germans wrote in that article is pure biased bullshit. i cant believe they had the balls to call the 1m the winner even tho it lost in every single performance comparison.
Better acceleration numbers and marginally better lap times does not equate to better to drive. Driving is an experience, not a measurable thing.
As a driver's car is where it excels, is what I'm assuming this review is trying to say.
But in our present world of dual clutch automatics and obsessions with 0-60 times; I don't expect many people to understand that.

There would be no need to test drive cars or read/watch car reviews if only numbers mattered; cause then we'd just have one test track, one driver and simply list out from fastest to slowest: 0-60, 0-120, lap times, etc. And you'd just buy the highest ranking car in your price range. But we don't do that do we?

Having said that; my father has a Cayman S that I've driven, and I've also driven both the 135i and M3; and I find it hard to believe that the 1M would be better to drive than a Cayman R. I guess I'll have to wait and find out for myself!
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Oh it is!

But I've owned the Boxster and if the Cayman R addresses the issues the standard Boxster had a couple years ago...this revised car must be damned good too. Still $20,000 more for a comparably optioned car (CAD).

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The M cars have never been out right the fastest things on the planet, nor they have had the best performance. They have always been the best overall package. This has always taken into account the price, practicality, luxury, and performance.

If you compare the E92 M3 against the Z06 or GT-R it fails in miserable fashion when it comes to performance. But I am assuming that you did not go with the same theory that you are applying now when it came time to buy your M3. The reason why many chose an M3 or other M cars is because they are better overall package. This is the same reason why car magazines picked M3 over GT-R or 911.

The E92 M3 you have as well as E60 M5, E46 M3, E39 M5 and now the 1M were never the overall out right champions in performance. But rather the best all rounders for the money.






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it costs more and it delivers more. how can a car that lost in every performance comparison be the better car?

maybe the better value but not the better car. whatever those germans wrote in that article is pure biased bullshit. i cant believe they had the balls to call the 1m the winner even tho it lost in every single performance comparison.
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if i had the $$$ i would have bought the gtr in a heartbeat. i just can't afford it. i drove the gtr on the track in las vegas and then i was disappointed to drive my m3 back home.
Whilst you can't argue with the raw figures, I feel the GTR experience is 1 dimentional and very PS3 like, not the same as the multi level experience of an ///M, perhaps?
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Hm, either these magazines have been paid off or the 1M is a really good driver's car.

Not surprising, half the comparisons are AWD + DCT of some variety vs. 6-SPD + RWD.
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I'm actually extremely surprised. You'd think that the Cayman R would deliver an infinitely better driving experience completely regardless of its clearly superior performance numbers.

To the goof that's calling out the author's ding against the 1M's 52% weight distribution: that's a completely valid weakness of that car relative to the Cayman and isn't subject to the 50/50 vs 40/60 debate. Having a rearward weight bias (like the Cayman's 45/55) will always be superior to anything nose-heavy.
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Tired of seeing trolling from blind haters. This thread will be monitored and moderated accordingly.
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I'd like to know the author's answer to this question: if practicality wasn't a concern, which would you take if somebody offered you a choice between these two cars?

I can't imagine anyone picking the 1M over it, although I really do love that car.
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I'd still pick the R over 1m. I want a impractical and more focused car for the weekend. BMW has refined it's cars too far that it's missing the mechanical, vibration and chatter from the engine and tranny.

I would love to extend the value argument. Is 1m 2.5x or 3x performance over the civic si? Would anyone here agree if a magazine concludes civic si beats 1m on value therefore winner of the comparison? Absurd right? So is this
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I'd like to know the author's answer to this question: if practicality wasn't a concern, which would you take if somebody offered you a choice between these two cars?

I can't imagine anyone picking the 1M over it, although I really do love that car.
It's a really tough decision to make without test driving both cars. However, if money/practicality was not a concern, I'd lean towards the Cayman R. Two seats, better styling (imo), lighter, engine layout.
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I agree the tests don't compare apples to apples, and they should not say it is a better car. Clearly it is not a faster car. More spacious yes. A better driving experience yes (according to the reviews). But I'm wondering... are all of the magazines biased or is there really something about this car that has placed it as a winner over much more expensive cars in various comparos?

I know why I'm getting mine. I don't need those magazines to tell me. But hell yeah I'm feeling extra good about purchasing a car I've never driven when these well established magazines are rating higher than competition in a completely different price range!

Put another way I'd hate to have a deposit down on a tt-rs or cayman r (both dream cars IMO) and be reading the reviews. They wouldn't change my mind but definitely give me something to think about.

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From the summary it sounds like the Porsche won. Not that fair of a test considering the difference in price would justify a comparison with an M3.
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