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      08-25-2014, 02:49 AM   #1
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New M3/M4 Carbon Ceramic Brakes on 1M?

wondering if it'll fit. Seeing how all the aftermarket options are quite pricey, maybe we'll find some M3/M4 with ccm that are willing to part out.

Or does anyone know the price BMW is selling their CCM for?

Will it even fit us?
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      08-25-2014, 02:54 AM   #2
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the price adding to the m3/m4 at purchase $8150 i wonder if you can get it less in the after market or will it be more. I d love to get a set.
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Someone posted that the bolting pattern has changed between E89 5x120*M12 to FXX 5x120mm*M14. This would not necessarily prohibit a fit, have not yet looked into the axial dimensions. Let's hope someone pioneers this and an adapter kit for e89 M3/1M becomes commercially available soon.

Road debris causing chips should make non-functional parts for fitment become available soon.
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I know the brembos fitment is different between E and F series
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Can I ask why you need these? Or is it more a question of want?
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Can I ask why you need these? Or is it more a question of want?
Lol I'm sure nobody "needs" CCM brakes, just wondering since M3/M4's are being sold with this option, we 1Mer's might get to fit some original ones on.

I would love to have them for unsprung weight saving purposes and longevity.
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I drove an M4 with Carbon brakes and my 1M with AP Racing brakes felt just as firm and quick to stop......but then again $8100 for the kit is actually a great price but you seriously need a reason to have this option which helped bump the M4 overall price up to $87K
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I drove an M4 with Carbon brakes and my 1M with AP Racing brakes felt just as firm and quick to stop......but then again $8100 for the kit is actually a great price but you seriously need a reason to have this option which helped bump the M4 overall price up to $87K
I'm now looking at putting the Essex Designed AP Racing Competition BBK on my 1M.

Is that what you're running?

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I'm now looking at putting the Essex Designed AP Racing Competition BBK on my 1M.

Is that what you're running?

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Can't wait to hear your review on that BBK!!!

It seems (almost) worth the price of admission for ease of swapping pads vs the OE setup...
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I'm running full AP front/rear set up here with Pagid Rs29's all round. Seriously, you don't need anything more.

Wish I had fitted them from day one after 3 sets of OEM discs and countless pads.


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      09-03-2014, 09:42 PM   #12
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Neil,

No, i have the AP Racing M3 BBK, AP7100 & 7150....in VO of course....

With Mintex pads...
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I'm running full AP front/rear set up here with Pagid Rs29's all round. Seriously, you don't need anything more.

Wish I had fitted them from day one after 3 sets of OEM discs and countless pads.

Maybe I should be looking into a bbk. My OEM rotors are having warping issues after only 4 track days this year using regular street OEM pads. I anticipated going through pads but am surprised that the rotors are so short lived.
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Maybe I should be looking into a bbk. My OEM rotors are having warping issues after only 4 track days this year using regular street OEM pads. I anticipated going through pads but am surprised that the rotors are so short lived.
Highly unlikely you've warped your rotors. Way more likely that it's simply uneven pad deposits, especially since the oem street pads are not fit to be used on the track.

Get an appropriate pad and all will be fine.

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I'm likely to get the Essex-designed AP Racing Competition Big Brake Kit described in this post:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=921567

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Need to be aware of replacement cost on the ceramic rotors if you track the car. They do wear slower but when they need replacement watch out. Friend of mine owns a Porsche that he ordered with ceramics. He tracks the car a lot at VIR and ditched the ceramics after a couple expensive replacements due to overall replacement cost. His view in his application was that the benefit did not warrant the cost. Maybe the BMWs are different but I would do my homework before I go down this path.
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Maybe I should be looking into a bbk. My OEM rotors are having warping issues after only 4 track days this year using regular street OEM pads. I anticipated going through pads but am surprised that the rotors are so short lived.
Highly unlikely you've warped your rotors. Way more likely that it's simply uneven pad deposits, especially since the oem street pads are not fit to be used on the track.

Get an appropriate pad and all will be fine.

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Thanks Neil. I've been reading some of the other brake threads and was slowly coming to a similar conclusion regarding pad deposits.

Do you think I can put on a more aggressive pad with the current rotors (which "feel" warped -- car shakes a lot when braking) and continue using them? Would this fix the pad deposit problem and make the rotors better again?

(OP: sorry for thread-jacking).
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I'm likely to get the Essex-designed AP Racing Competition Big Brake Kit described in this post:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=921567

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Out of morbid curiosity I'd like to hear your analysis of pros/cons.

Pros as I see it are:
-more robust package for the track -- better cooling and fade resistance
-lower runnings costs after initial acquisition
-all-business-and-no-flash look
-ease of brake pad change

Are you going this route because you plan on increasing HP with single turbo setup and need a corresponding braking upgrade? I ask because the stock system seems quite robust to me with just the addition of aggressive pads and fluid. At what point in your opinion does the added cost justify the actual benefits?
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Thanks Neil. I've been reading some of the other brake threads and was slowly coming to a similar conclusion regarding pad deposits.

Do you think I can put on a more aggressive pad with the current rotors (which "feel" warped -- car shakes a lot when braking) and continue using them? Would this fix the pad deposit problem and make the rotors better again?

(OP: sorry for thread-jacking).
Mount a set of track pads that you would use for your next event and use them to "scrub" the deposits off of your rotors. Essentially you'll need to do some repeated stops similar to what you would do when bedding in new pads but less aggressively with less heat buildup. When you bed in pads you're transferring pad material to the rotor. By using a less aggressive procedure you keep the temps down and can remove the transfer material. It may take several "stops" to accomplish this.

Stoptech has a great article on this: http://www.stoptech.com/technical-su...eposit-removal
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Out of morbid curiosity I'd like to hear your analysis of pros/cons.

Pros as I see it are:
-more robust package for the track -- better cooling and fade resistance
-lower runnings costs after initial acquisition
-all-business-and-no-flash look
-ease of brake pad change

Are you going this route because you plan on increasing HP with single turbo setup and need a corresponding braking upgrade? I ask because the stock system seems quite robust to me with just the addition of aggressive pads and fluid. At what point in your opinion does the added cost justify the actual benefits?
Yes, I'm moving toward these brakes for the reasons you identified.

The single turbo will likely be going on my car in the next 2-3 weeks and, for that reason, I believe an upgrade to my brakes is warranted.

In addition, the car is at RRT Racing now having a 4-point roll bar installed.

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Mount a set of track pads that you would use for your next event and use them to "scrub" the deposits off of your rotors. Essentially you'll need to do some repeated stops similar to what you would do when bedding in new pads but less aggressively with less heat buildup. When you bed in pads you're transferring pad material to the rotor. By using a less aggressive procedure you keep the temps down and can remove the transfer material. It may take several "stops" to accomplish this.

Stoptech has a great article on this: http://www.stoptech.com/technical-su...eposit-removal


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