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      05-04-2011, 08:18 AM   #1
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1M has the same 0-60 time as the manual M3 coupe - BMW USA

I was expecting to see the 0-60 (the only performance spec that BMW publishes on their website) to be slightly worse for the 1M but BMWUSA lists both at 4.7 seconds. they list the DCT M3 at 4.5 but then we are comparing apples to oranges. I think its interesting food for thought - I wonder what the quarter mile times look like - does the M3's NA V8 power start shining quickly enough to make a difference to the quarter mile time, or is it really more at 130-140 mph?
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      05-04-2011, 08:38 AM   #2
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Most of the difference will be noticeable on top end given the larger displacement of the v8; however, I would dare say that the 1/4 mile times would be nearly identical if not the same. Low end power is a big factor in how the 1M performs, and it's got a lot of torque right off the line.
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Not really a big surprise, to me.
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      05-04-2011, 09:09 AM   #4
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OH.... BUT WHATEVER WILL BMW DO?
HAVEN"T THEY BEEN TRYING TO SLOW DOWN THE 1M SO IT'S NOT AS FAST OR FASTER THAN THE M3 ????
ISN'T THAT WHY IT "ONLY" HAS 335 HP ?
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      05-04-2011, 09:24 AM   #5
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I think the M3 begins to separate itself from the 1M past the 100mph marker...before that stage, the NA V8 stays in line with the 1M tt6 in which the higher hp of the v8 cancels out with the higher (low-end) torque of the 1M tt6
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      05-04-2011, 10:21 AM   #6
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As per FastLap Times

1M
0 - 100 kph 4.5s
0 - 100 mph 10.2s
1/4 mile 12.9s/111mph


M3
0 - 100 kph 4.3s
0 - 100 mph 9.4 s
1/4 mile 12.4s/114mph
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      05-04-2011, 11:49 AM   #7
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People who want an M3 will get an M3 irrespective of the 1M. The same goes vice-versa.

The argument that BMW would slow down one car relative to another is ludicrous. The 1M could have 414HP and the person who wants the M3 would still get the M3 and the person who wants the 1M would get the 1M. In the real world marketplace theres very little competition between the two, but of course it gets overly dramatized by current M3 owners (and maybee future 1M owners) looking for reasons to justify one thing or another.

Show me a real percentage of prospective buyers deciding between the 1M and M3 vs people deciding between the M3 and C63, I promise you the M3 vs C63 # is much larger.
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      05-04-2011, 01:25 PM   #8
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Deshields is correct. I have a e46 M3 which is already too large for autoxing. My very modified e36 M3 was much better with its Quaiffe diff.

My decision was do I want BIG or nimble. The important part is how fast I can get around a Track or course not how fast I can go in a straight line. This is the kind of decisions folks have to make.
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      05-04-2011, 01:45 PM   #9
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.5 sec and 3mph in the 1/4 is a pretty significant difference. 0-60 doesn't surprise me though.
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      05-04-2011, 01:59 PM   #10
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People who want an M3 will get an M3 irrespective of the 1M. The same goes vice-versa.
You'd be amazed how many threads and people are about "oh this car is x tenths of seconds faster 0-60 mph than that car, so it is the faster car, and thus it is the better car."

That's even the reasoning or discussion behind this thread.
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      05-04-2011, 02:07 PM   #11
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Agreed. I'm actually on the 1M vs. M3 cross-shopping group since the M3 is truly a second choice to me. Can't go wrong with either car, but I much prefer a 1M.

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People who want an M3 will get an M3 irrespective of the 1M. The same goes vice-versa.

The argument that BMW would slow down one car relative to another is ludicrous. The 1M could have 414HP and the person who wants the M3 would still get the M3 and the person who wants the 1M would get the 1M. In the real world marketplace theres very little competition between the two, but of course it gets overly dramatized by current M3 owners (and maybee future 1M owners) looking for reasons to justify one thing or another.

Show me a real percentage of prospective buyers deciding between the 1M and M3 vs people deciding between the M3 and C63, I promise you the M3 vs C63 # is much larger.
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      05-04-2011, 03:02 PM   #12
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People who want an M3 will get an M3 irrespective of the 1M. The same goes vice-versa.

The argument that BMW would slow down one car relative to another is ludicrous. The 1M could have 414HP and the person who wants the M3 would still get the M3 and the person who wants the 1M would get the 1M. In the real world marketplace theres very little competition between the two, but of course it gets overly dramatized by current M3 owners (and maybee future 1M owners) looking for reasons to justify one thing or another.

Show me a real percentage of prospective buyers deciding between the 1M and M3 vs people deciding between the M3 and C63, I promise you the M3 vs C63 # is much larger.
I disagree with your assertion that the performance of the 1M is not limited by concerns about encroaching on the M3. Many posts indicate BMW did not go far enough with the power in the 1M but I think they had good reason to do what they did. BMW is trying to walk a fine line by providing enthusiasts a real M option in the 1 series and not really stepping on the toes of those loyal enthusiasts that have bought and will buy the M3. Aftermarket Dinan kits get you another fifty hp so I imagine BMW could have easily bumped it into a whole different level.

I like what they have done with the 1M and have a deposit on one. They have comprehensively updated the chassis, done meaningful drivetrain changes, provided a decent job of creating a specific look on the exterior without going too far in the boy racer look, and have tasteful tweaks inside the cabin. All at a decent price (just try to get similar changes in the aftermarket for anything near the 1M).

I agree that some folks just want an M3 and others just the 1M. I could afford either, I just prefer the smaller and lighter car. That said if I had a M3 I'd be miffed if the 1M had a significant edge on it.
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      05-04-2011, 03:05 PM   #13
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I disagree with your assertion that the performance of the 1M is not limited by concerns about encroaching on the M3. Many posts indicate BMW did not go far enough with the power in the 1M but I think they had good reason to do what they did. BMW is trying to walk a fine line by providing enthusiasts a real M option in the 1 series and not really stepping on the toes of those loyal enthusiasts that have bought and will buy the M3. Aftermarket Dinan kits get you another fifty hp so I imagine BMW could have easily bumped it into a whole different level.

I like what they have done with the 1M and have a deposit on one. They have comprehensively updated the chassis, done meaningful drivetrain changes, provided a decent job of creating a specific look on the exterior without going too far in the boy racer look, and have tasteful tweaks inside the cabin. All at a decent price (just try to get similar changes in the aftermarket for anything near the 1M).

I agree that some folks just want an M3 and others just the 1M. I could afford either, I just prefer the smaller and lighter car. That said if I had a M3 I'd be miffed if the 1M had a significant edge on it.
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      05-04-2011, 04:00 PM   #14
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Agreed. The 1M is slotted where it is by design. I still want it.

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The 451 is the potential. But do not see it an "official" production car.
BMW will not hinder the M3 in it's remaining years with the 1M.
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      05-04-2011, 06:48 PM   #15
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That said if I had a M3 I'd be miffed if the 1M had a significant edge on it.

Really makes no sense actually. What if a Z4M has a significant edge?
There is no promise from BMW that the M3 is going to be the best peforming car in the lineup. Certainly this feeling can't be based on pricing, because for years the M5/M6 have been priced significantly higher and provide less performance than the M3. A bigger motor with more power... but overall less performance... The extra $$ for the most part goes to nicer interior.. more gadgets... etc..
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Really makes no sense actually. What if a Z4M has a significant edge?
There is no promise from BMW that the M3 is going to be the best peforming car in the lineup. Certainly this feeling can't be based on pricing, because for years the M5/M6 have been priced significantly higher and provide less performance than the M3.
I see your point but this is a little different because they are similarly priced and coupes (sedanphiles obviously dont have a choice). Also, the M3 was at one point where the 1 now is as far as size and power. The M5/6 didnt really evolve up from a 3 series. I think the 1 now appeals to the demographic the 3 appealed to 10-15 years ago.

If you want a 4 door you wont really cross shop the M3 with the M5 but if you want a coupe I really think you will cross shop the 1 and the 3.
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      05-04-2011, 07:51 PM   #17
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I have a 2011 M3 dct

Ordered a 1m might end up being the last manual I buy I intend to keep the car, the last manual I had was an 04 vw r32, I always wanted an e-30 m3 when younger maybe one day I will find a perfect cherry one. This 1m satisfies that longing as I can now afford such a car.
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BMW has alway been conservative with numbers. I wouldnt be surprised if cars end up quicker.
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i was looking at both also......just figured that the 1m is a no-brainer for me because it can so easilly make more power with minor tuning.......i wouldnt be at ease with modifying a m3 with such a nicely hand built engine.......maybe i'm just crazy but the 1m ,although it shares its engine with its siblings ,is a much better bargain for me.
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