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JB4135 · 02-11-2013, 08:03 PM

Hey Guys,

I had the chance to test the new low oil temp thermostat from Burger Motorsports the other day. The temp was 28 degrees and after 40 minutes of driving including many hard pulls my oil temp maxed at 110. I recently sold my 135i vert and bought a 09' 335i DCT (yes of course an N54) and noticed that this 335i runs a lot hotter than my old ZF box 135i. I was always seeing just under 120 degrees in this new car but now with the BMS thermostat the delay to 70 degrees is around 2-3 minutes but it takes a little longer to reach 100 and never goes past 110.

The install takes about 5 minutes and is a great little mod. This is not an alternative to an oil cooler upgrade in anyway and won't make much difference to those that like to track there car's regularly but it's a great way to manage your oil temps on a daily basis cause we all know these car's like to run hot.

They sell for only $59. Click on the link below to see more info.

http://www.burgertuning.com/low_temp...W_135_335.html

gazz · 02-11-2013, 08:24 PM

Thanks JB. My order is on the way. Anything to keep turbos cooler in Qld. That's prompted me to get the clutch stop limiter from them, which I've been meaning to do.

My old 335i also used to run just below 120.

Anyone tried water wetter?

Stuart@BMRAutowerkes · 02-11-2013, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JB4135

the delay to 70 degrees is around 2-3 minutes but it takes a little longer to reach 100 and never goes past 110.

My car (no oil cooler or whatever) takes at least 7-8 minutes to get to 70degrees!

Still, looks like a good product

pavo335 · 02-11-2013, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuart@BMRAutowerkes

My car (no oil cooler or whatever) takes at least 7-8 minutes to get to 70degrees!

Still, looks like a good product

Yeh I think he is saying an ADDITIONAL 2-3 minutes, or 10 in total.

Meijo · 02-11-2013, 09:00 PM

Such a simple and efficient mod Edwin.. Should organise a group buy for the Sydney guys and save on the shipping ( $42US )

Ian///M · 02-11-2013, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gazz

Anyone tried water wetter?

I tried Redline WW in my 135i.... made a small difference. Not worth the PITA to drain radiator etc.

Try 0W40 oil spec. Definitely warms up more quickly and runs 5 deg cooler from my experience.

This mod looks pretty neat though!

BMW86 · 02-11-2013, 10:21 PM

If I didn't have an oil cooler already, I would have gone down this route first. Imho, changing out to a low temp oil thermostat is the way to to go in reducing oil temp but it requires A LOT more patience as it takes a fair bit longer to warm up. Great mod for a great price.

Btw, congrats on the purchase Edwin. Let's see some pics?

oystero · 02-11-2013, 10:43 PM

Nice mod. You planning to bring a batch in Stu ?

TimMc · 02-12-2013, 01:40 AM

As most of my trips are very short & I already have trouble getting heat into my oil, this mod isn't for me. It would be great to have a thermostat that I could bypass when I wanted to (track days etc), via a switch inside the cabin...

gazz · 02-13-2013, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TimMc

As most of my trips are very short & I already have trouble getting heat into my oil, this mod isn't for me. It would be great to have a thermostat that I could bypass when I wanted to (track days etc), via a switch inside the cabin...

If the instal only takes 5 mins you could take it to the track, switch to it for the day and then put the standard one back in for daily use.

Hey, that's not a bad idea. Glad I thought of it.

Mind you, I haven't installed one yet so it may be a bad idea.

TimMc · 02-13-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gazz

If the instal only takes 5 mins you could take it to the track, switch to it for the day and then put the standard one back in for daily use.

Hey, that's not a bad idea. Glad I thought of it.

Mind you, I haven't installed one yet so it may be a bad idea.

Sounds good Gazz. You be the guinea pig and get back to us

I'm not sure if this is best for track use, where the thermostat would be fully open anyway due to 120+ temps when you're on it. Here the temps are just governed by the efficiency of the cooler.

It'd be more suitable for longer stints on the hwy or around town. My oil temps sit around 109/110 under these conditions. As my OEM thermostat doesn't open until ~109 degrees there's little chance for my oil to get any cooler at the moment but it would with the thermostat removed. What we need is a replacement, lower temp or adjustable thermostat.

gazz · 02-13-2013, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TimMc

Sounds good Gazz. You be the guinea pig and get back to us

I'm not sure if this is best for track use, where the thermostat would be fully open anyway due to 120+ temps when you're on it. Here the temps are just governed by the efficiency of the cooler.

It'd be more suitable for longer stints on the hwy or around town. My oil temps sit around 109/110 under these conditions. As my OEM thermostat doesn't open until ~109 degrees there's little chance for my oil to get any cooler at the moment but it would with the thermostat removed. What we need is a replacement, lower temp or adjustable thermostat.

I knew it was a bad idea

JB4135 · 02-13-2013, 11:06 PM

I took my car out last night to run some logs with the JB4 to see what this DCT can do and after at least 10-12 wide open the throttle runs from 2nd-5th gear the oil wouldn't go past 110. The car was already warm when I took it out and temps were about 22 degrees. The other thing I noticed was after each WOT run the oil temp stayed the same whereas it would normally increase by 2-3 degrees by the end of the run.

I've been running around town most of the day today in 26 degrees and the oil has been between 100-110. I know this thermostat is working cause like I mentioned earlier this car would have been sitting on 120 most of today.

BTW: The DCT takes a little getting use to but it's a lot of fun. Makes the car feel weightless compared to my previous car.

Meijo · 02-13-2013, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JB4135

I took my car out last night to run some logs with the JB4 to see what this DCT can do and after at least 10-12 wide open the throttle runs from 2nd-5th gear the oil wouldn't go past 110. The car was already warm when I took it out and temps were about 22 degrees. The other thing I noticed was after each WOT run the oil temp stayed the same whereas it would normally increase by 2-3 degrees by the end of the run.

I've been running around town most of the day today in 26 degrees and the oil has been between 100-110. I know this thermostat is working cause like I mentioned earlier this car would have been sitting on 120 most of today.

BTW: The DCT takes a little getting use to but it's a lot of fun. Makes the car feel weightless compared to my previous car.

Seeing you are the BMS man about town Edwin, why dont you organise a group buy, to cut back on the shipping cost..

pavo335 · 02-13-2013, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB4135

I took my car out last night to run some logs with the JB4 to see what this DCT can do and after at least 10-12 wide open the throttle runs from 2nd-5th gear the oil wouldn't go past 110. The car was already warm when I took it out and temps were about 22 degrees. The other thing I noticed was after each WOT run the oil temp stayed the same whereas it would normally increase by 2-3 degrees by the end of the run.

I've been running around town most of the day today in 26 degrees and the oil has been between 100-110. I know this thermostat is working cause like I mentioned earlier this car would have been sitting on 120 most of today.

BTW: The DCT takes a little getting use to but it's a lot of fun. Makes the car feel weightless compared to my previous car.

Mine is in, took 2 minutes and didn't even get my hands dirty! Oil didn't go over 110

Meijo · 02-13-2013, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pavo335

Mine is in, took 2 minutes and didn't even get my hands dirty! Oil didn't go over 110

How did you grab one so quick Pav??

JB4135 · 02-13-2013, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Meijo

Seeing you are the BMS man about town Edwin, why dont you organise a group buy, to cut back on the shipping cost..

Haha!! I might get my Mrs to bring back 10 of them seeing as she's in LA next month. Will let you guys know.

JB4135 · 02-13-2013, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Meijo

How did you grab one so quick Pav??

Compliments of me, he's about to return the favour in 5 minutes.

Meijo · 02-13-2013, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JB4135

Haha!! I might get my Mrs to bring back 10 of them seeing as she's in LA next month. Will let you guys know.

Thanks Ed..

I will deff grab one for the 1M.. ( Pav will vouch for me..

)

pavo335 · 02-13-2013, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Meijo

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB4135

Haha!! I might get my Mrs to bring back 10 of them seeing as she's in LA next month. Will let you guys know.

Thanks Ed..

I will deff grab one for the 1M.. ( Pav will vouch for me..

)

Whoa hold on the one your after has an M logo and is an extra fiddy

Meijo · 02-13-2013, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pavo335

Whoa hold on the one your after has an M logo and is an extra fiddy

Cool...Don't mind paying an extra fiddy cents for the M logo option..

Ian///M · 02-14-2013, 12:21 AM

This mod isn't that great if the oil takes ages to warm up due to no thermostat. Cold engines get damaged easily and this is when most wear occurs.

Why did Mr BMW put a thermostat there if not having one solved the oil heat issue. Given some thought, I would not do this mod.

02-11-2013, 08:03 PM	#1
JB4135 Colonel Drives: E92 BSM & E91 BSM Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 2,364 iTrader: (1)	BMS Low Oil Temperature Thermostat Hey Guys, I had the chance to test the new low oil temp thermostat from Burger Motorsports the other day. The temp was 28 degrees and after 40 minutes of driving including many hard pulls my oil temp maxed at 110. I recently sold my 135i vert and bought a 09' 335i DCT (yes of course an N54) and noticed that this 335i runs a lot hotter than my old ZF box 135i. I was always seeing just under 120 degrees in this new car but now with the BMS thermostat the delay to 70 degrees is around 2-3 minutes but it takes a little longer to reach 100 and never goes past 110. The install takes about 5 minutes and is a great little mod. This is not an alternative to an oil cooler upgrade in anyway and won't make much difference to those that like to track there car's regularly but it's a great way to manage your oil temps on a daily basis cause we all know these car's like to run hot. They sell for only $59. Click on the link below to see more info. http://www.burgertuning.com/low_temp...W_135_335.html __________________ JB4 G5
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Meijo BEASTIE Drives: ///1M Beast Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Condell Park Posts: 39 iTrader: (0)	Such a simple and efficient mod Edwin.. Should organise a group buy for the Sydney guys and save on the shipping ( $42US ) Last edited by Meijo; 02-11-2013 at 09:24 PM.

02-11-2013, 10:21 PM	#7
BMW86 Major General Drives: BMW 135i / Kawa Ninja Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 8,613 iTrader: (0)	If I didn't have an oil cooler already, I would have gone down this route first. Imho, changing out to a low temp oil thermostat is the way to to go in reducing oil temp but it requires A LOT more patience as it takes a fair bit longer to warm up. Great mod for a great price. Btw, congrats on the purchase Edwin. Let's see some pics? __________________ BMW 135i N54 TWIN TURBO Quarter Mile 12.173@113.70mph - Street Tyres Queensland Raceway Sprint 1:01:22 - Street Tyres Queensland Raceway Clubman 1:04:74 - Street Tyres Lakeside Raceway 1:03:97 - Street Tyres

02-12-2013, 01:40 AM	#9
TimMc Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 135i SCT N54 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,819 iTrader: (0)	As most of my trips are very short & I already have trouble getting heat into my oil, this mod isn't for me. It would be great to have a thermostat that I could bypass when I wanted to (track days etc), via a switch inside the cabin... __________________ Driving - Man 135 (LeMans/Black). BMW Perf SW & SSK. Quaife LSD, KW V2s, Custom camber plates, M3 front Control Arms & SB, Helix IC, AR DPs, PROcede V5, ER CP, Forge DVs, BMS OCC, Setrab OC, P3 Gauge. Riding - 900 Kwaka, Avanti Aggressor, Malvern Star Equipe, Mini Mal. Proudly from the Shire.

02-13-2013, 11:06 PM	#13
JB4135 Colonel Drives: E92 BSM & E91 BSM Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 2,364 iTrader: (1)	I took my car out last night to run some logs with the JB4 to see what this DCT can do and after at least 10-12 wide open the throttle runs from 2nd-5th gear the oil wouldn't go past 110. The car was already warm when I took it out and temps were about 22 degrees. The other thing I noticed was after each WOT run the oil temp stayed the same whereas it would normally increase by 2-3 degrees by the end of the run. I've been running around town most of the day today in 26 degrees and the oil has been between 100-110. I know this thermostat is working cause like I mentioned earlier this car would have been sitting on 120 most of today. BTW: The DCT takes a little getting use to but it's a lot of fun. Makes the car feel weightless compared to my previous car. __________________ JB4 G5

02-11-2013, 08:24 PM	#2
gazz ///Mbassador Drives: The horse I fell off Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 1,044 iTrader: (0)	Thanks JB. My order is on the way. Anything to keep turbos cooler in Qld. That's prompted me to get the clutch stop limiter from them, which I've been meaning to do. My old 335i also used to run just below 120. Anyone tried water wetter?

02-11-2013, 10:43 PM	#8
oystero Second Lieutenant Drives: AW 1M, E90 320d Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Melbourne Posts: 226 iTrader: (0)	Nice mod. You planning to bring a batch in Stu ?

02-14-2013, 12:21 AM	#22
Ian///M Brigadier General Drives: 1M E82 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Oz Posts: 4,515 iTrader: (0)	This mod isn't that great if the oil takes ages to warm up due to no thermostat. Cold engines get damaged easily and this is when most wear occurs. Why did Mr BMW put a thermostat there if not having one solved the oil heat issue. Given some thought, I would not do this mod. __________________ BMW 1M VO - Cobb, Remus muffler, MadDads midpipes, ETS 5" FMIC, ER CP, CDV, OCC, Michelin PSS

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