BMW 1 Series Coupe Forum / 1 Series Convertible Forum (1M / tii / 135i / 128i / Coupe / Cabrio / Hatchback) (BMW E82 E88 128i 130i 135i)
 





 

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-07-2011, 08:12 PM   #287
MrBlonde
Welcome! To the House of Batiatus!
 
MrBlonde's Avatar
 
Drives: 368 M Coupe, E82 135i, E70 X5
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sydney

Posts: 2,656
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via MSN to MrBlonde
Great pass Richard! Once again your improvement of 0.738 in ET comes from a 0.346 (massive) improvement in short time. And that's from practice and better rubber (moving from runflats to street radials).

And again, the methanol kit made relatively little difference, 3.45 MPH in trap.

Boys and girls, it's all about the short time.


To me these results, both on runflats and street radials, means that Richard is the best drag racer on the drag racing standings at the moment by quite a bit.
__________________
.-=[ Kenny ]=-. 1999 BMW M Coupe 10.775 @ 134.35 mph w/1.600 60' (Best 136.07 mph) 25th August 2004. +2010 X5 35D+

Check out the 1Addicts Drag Racing Standings and Drag Racing 101.
MrBlonde is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 08:19 PM   #288
BBK
Banned
 
Drives: A boring one...
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Australia

Posts: 3,078
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 BMW 135i  [2.88]
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde View Post
To me these results, both on runflats and street radials, means that Richard is the best drag racer on the drag racing standings at the moment by quite a bit.
Your words not mine!
BBK is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 08:42 PM   #289
adrian@vishnu
Captain
 
Drives: 135i
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia

Posts: 666
iTrader: (0)

How much extra boost do you run with methanol? Seems like the power is from more boost and the methanol is just providing you with some safety rather than outright power increases. 3.5MPH increase would be around 30kW extra which is OK, but a little less than expected.... could have been the boost drop you experienced (failsafe??).

But the 60 foot is where it is at. That is seriously good and bodes well for those tyres. That is quicker than I got in my WRX with AWD on my 11.3 run. Was there much wheel spin in that run? Did you do a burnout?

-- Adrian
adrian@vishnu is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 08:48 PM   #290
BBK
Banned
 
Drives: A boring one...
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Australia

Posts: 3,078
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 BMW 135i  [2.88]
Yes I do a burnout, not much, if any wheelspin... Not enough for me to remember anyway!
BBK is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 09:23 PM   #291
BMW86
Major General
 
Drives: BMW 135i / Kawa Ninja
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia

Posts: 8,842
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBK View Post
Edwin, sorry mate didn't log it... trying to keep the weight down! hahaha... MIchael did some logs though, he did a best of 12.03* I think. He seems to taper off a lot in 4th, as opposed to my 3rd.

Adrian, thanks mate :-) It was the last run of my night, I was getting consistent 1.84ish 60ft's all night, till I decided I should launch harder to test it. That was about 2400rpm in 1st gear.

Will post slip soon
That's some great launching Richard, well done!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde View Post
To me these results, both on runflats and street radials, means that Richard is the best drag racer on the drag racing standings at the moment by quite a bit.
I'd have to agree. Richard has got some of the best times with and without RFT's

I think with an LSD you will get some of the best 60ft we've ever seen

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBK View Post
Yes I do a burnout, not much, if any wheelspin... Not enough for me to remember anyway!
__________________
BMW 135i N54 TWIN TURBO
Quarter Mile 12.173@113.70mph - Street Tyres
Queensland Raceway Sprint 1:01:22 - Street Tyres
Queensland Raceway Clubman 1:04:74 - Street Tyres
Lakeside Raceway 1:03:97 - Street Tyres
BMW86 is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 09:25 PM   #292
BMW86
Major General
 
Drives: BMW 135i / Kawa Ninja
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia

Posts: 8,842
iTrader: (0)

Lol at the other car in Richard's time slip. You practically crossed the 1/4 mile when he hit 1/8
__________________
BMW 135i N54 TWIN TURBO
Quarter Mile 12.173@113.70mph - Street Tyres
Queensland Raceway Sprint 1:01:22 - Street Tyres
Queensland Raceway Clubman 1:04:74 - Street Tyres
Lakeside Raceway 1:03:97 - Street Tyres
BMW86 is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 09:42 PM   #293
BBK
Banned
 
Drives: A boring one...
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Australia

Posts: 3,078
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 BMW 135i  [2.88]
Hahaha yeah I crossed the line and thought maybe he broke down or crashed! I couldn't see him in the rear view mirror... It was a TX3
BBK is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 09:42 PM   #294
MrBlonde
Welcome! To the House of Batiatus!
 
MrBlonde's Avatar
 
Drives: 368 M Coupe, E82 135i, E70 X5
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sydney

Posts: 2,656
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via MSN to MrBlonde
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW86 View Post
Lol at the other car in Richard's time slip. You practically crossed the 1/4 mile when he hit 1/8
No. Look at Richard's dogshit reaction time :-)

He is still a beginner drag racer. At the moment it's all about the ET for him, hasn't grasped the competition aspect yet. I think he's shown skills though, he should think about competing.
__________________
.-=[ Kenny ]=-. 1999 BMW M Coupe 10.775 @ 134.35 mph w/1.600 60' (Best 136.07 mph) 25th August 2004. +2010 X5 35D+

Check out the 1Addicts Drag Racing Standings and Drag Racing 101.
MrBlonde is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 09:43 PM   #295
MrBlonde
Welcome! To the House of Batiatus!
 
MrBlonde's Avatar
 
Drives: 368 M Coupe, E82 135i, E70 X5
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sydney

Posts: 2,656
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via MSN to MrBlonde
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW86 View Post
..
I'd have to agree. Richard has got some of the best times with and without RFT's
..
You still have to remember to separate manual tranny from bleeders. It's a whole other world of difficult to get a MT car out of the hole.
__________________
.-=[ Kenny ]=-. 1999 BMW M Coupe 10.775 @ 134.35 mph w/1.600 60' (Best 136.07 mph) 25th August 2004. +2010 X5 35D+

Check out the 1Addicts Drag Racing Standings and Drag Racing 101.
MrBlonde is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 09:52 PM   #296
BBK
Banned
 
Drives: A boring one...
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Australia

Posts: 3,078
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 BMW 135i  [2.88]
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde View Post
No. Look at Richard's dogshit reaction time :-)

He is still a beginner drag racer. At the moment it's all about the ET for him, hasn't grasped the competition aspect yet. I think he's shown skills though, he should think about competing.
Have never even tried to concentrate on RT, I'm usually racing something 3-4 seconds slower, or 2-3 seconds faster so why bother. The only time I ever raced something of similar spec, was when I lined up against Micha3l!

Don't want to compete... it's too expensive!

Although, I would love to take a manual down there just to show all those MT guys it's not as hard as they whinge about
BBK is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 10:04 PM   #297
BMW86
Major General
 
Drives: BMW 135i / Kawa Ninja
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia

Posts: 8,842
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde View Post
No. Look at Richard's dogshit reaction time :-)

He is still a beginner drag racer. At the moment it's all about the ET for him, hasn't grasped the competition aspect yet. I think he's shown skills though, he should think about competing.
I always go on green, I love the competitive aspect of drag racing, especially if I'm up against a quick car.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde View Post
You still have to remember to separate manual tranny from bleeders. It's a whole other world of difficult to get a MT car out of the hole.
That's true but the new Procede allows you to keep the accelerator flat when you engage the clutch, I'm sure that would make things a lot easier.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBK View Post
Have never even tried to concentrate on RT, I'm usually racing something 3-4 seconds slower, or 2-3 seconds faster so why bother. The only time I ever raced something of similar spec, was when I lined up against Micha3l!

Don't want to compete... it's too expensive!

Although, I would love to take a manual down there just to show all those MT guys it's not as hard as they whinge about
That race against Michael would have been close!
__________________
BMW 135i N54 TWIN TURBO
Quarter Mile 12.173@113.70mph - Street Tyres
Queensland Raceway Sprint 1:01:22 - Street Tyres
Queensland Raceway Clubman 1:04:74 - Street Tyres
Lakeside Raceway 1:03:97 - Street Tyres
BMW86 is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 10:07 PM   #298
MrBlonde
Welcome! To the House of Batiatus!
 
MrBlonde's Avatar
 
Drives: 368 M Coupe, E82 135i, E70 X5
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sydney

Posts: 2,656
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via MSN to MrBlonde
Quote:
Originally Posted by BBK View Post
Have never even tried to concentrate on RT, I'm usually racing something 3-4 seconds slower, or 2-3 seconds faster so why bother. The only time I ever raced something of similar spec, was when I lined up against Micha3l!

Don't want to compete... it's too expensive!

Although, I would love to take a manual down there just to show all those MT guys it's not as hard as they whinge about
Richard, no you don't ignore the Christmas tree because you think you can't get a better ET than the guy in the next lane, you do it to go for the best possible short time (and therefore ET) in your AT car.

ANDRA competition racers always giggle at people who sit on the line for a long time chasing ET, because they have a different viewpoint. Drag racing is a sport, where the Christmas tree and RT is a huge part of it! It's a whole other set of skills to cut a good light and get out of the hole better than the next guy. And you can only get better at it with practice, so why not start now?

Most drag racing classes are not heads up - ie both racers get green lights at the same instant - but are in fact some sort of bracket racing - where each racer nominates a "dialin" and then tries to get as close to that dialin ET as they can without "breaking out" or going quicker than the dialin.

You can race your 135 as is as an ANDRA competition vehicle. And IT'S A LOT OF FUN!

I actually think you've got the skills to get a great launch out of a manual tranny car too, be great to see what you can do. One thing I know is that after you've tried you'l know what I'm talking about! It's a lot harder.
__________________
.-=[ Kenny ]=-. 1999 BMW M Coupe 10.775 @ 134.35 mph w/1.600 60' (Best 136.07 mph) 25th August 2004. +2010 X5 35D+

Check out the 1Addicts Drag Racing Standings and Drag Racing 101.
MrBlonde is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 10:12 PM   #299
MrBlonde
Welcome! To the House of Batiatus!
 
MrBlonde's Avatar
 
Drives: 368 M Coupe, E82 135i, E70 X5
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sydney

Posts: 2,656
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via MSN to MrBlonde
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW86 View Post
I always go on green, I love the competitive aspect of drag racing, especially if I'm up against a quick car.

That's true but the new Procede allows you to keep the accelerator flat when you engage the clutch, I'm sure that would make things a lot easier.
Vinney I love the sport of drag racing too and I treat every single pass like an elimination finals. How else can you get better at cutting a sharp light?

For our street sedans the advantages of an auto tranny vs a manual tranny are far more than what a flat shift function can offer.

Having to use clutch to get out of the hole is a huge part of the challenge (and fun) or drag racing a MT car.

The PROcede flatshift function is currently not commerically available either, although that may change any time.


On my soapbox, I would never use an AT car to "race". You sit at the line, transbrake on and stally flashed. You see the last amber, pop a button and unlock the AT, press your right foot down. And then? You make 3-4 half inch corrections on the steering wheel while sitting otherwise motionless.

Yawn.
__________________
.-=[ Kenny ]=-. 1999 BMW M Coupe 10.775 @ 134.35 mph w/1.600 60' (Best 136.07 mph) 25th August 2004. +2010 X5 35D+

Check out the 1Addicts Drag Racing Standings and Drag Racing 101.
MrBlonde is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 10:31 PM   #300
BBK
Banned
 
Drives: A boring one...
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Australia

Posts: 3,078
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 BMW 135i  [2.88]
Vin, it was close! I did a 12.1** and he did a 12.2** that race. I left a little earlier than he did though and I was maybe 2 car lengths ahead at the end?

Kenny, completely understand how a drag racer thinks and that point of view. If I was in competition, I would think that way too. At a test/tune I don't see the point of trying to properly race someone who a) I don't have any idea how quick they are and b)there is no dial in times to make the race competitive. I love the idea of bracket racing and know how it works.

It's funny how a lot of people think an AT is so easy and that it's boring. Maybe after 50+ runs, but for someone who goes 2-3 times a year it's definitely a challenge. Different conditions, different mods etc. On that night, I was doing anything from 12.1 to 12.5. After yesterday, I think shift points play quite a large role in your time too.

It's not very often you see a car that is in the 11's or lower that is a manual. Maybe 1-2 cars each meet? 99% of the cars doing 10's or lower are autos. I absolutely respect manual drivers/cars in the 11's or lower. Micha3ls brother in law did an 11.7! (Commodore ute, DR's + NOS)
BBK is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 11:01 PM   #301
adrian@vishnu
Captain
 
Drives: 135i
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia

Posts: 666
iTrader: (0)

Procede no lift shift feature has not been used in an Australian cars yet to my knowledge. It requires some extra wiring to be added and some settings to be enabled. I plan to add it to a couple of cars shortly. So to date, Justins cars has been driven the old fashioned way, and we are struggling with the 60 foot times as a result. drag radials will come along way to fixing this up. And flat shift should get some extra MPH.

Driving a manual is a significantly greater challenge for drags than than an Auto. I mean for the launch the torque converter sets the launch RPM. For a manual the driver has to do it. For an Auto you cannot bog as the torque converter saves you. For a manual it is impossible to emulate with a clutch what an Auto can do to minimise shock torque loads that cause wheelspin. Then once you are moving, you have to change gears as quick as possible while keeping the turbo spinning as fast as possible. With an AUto you just pull a paddle at a certain RPM. And if you are too slow with an Auto, the box does the job for you. I am not saying that anybody can drive an Auto quick. It takes skill to do it in an Auto. I am just saying that it requires alot more skill to do the same times in a 6MT. Most drivers could do OK in an Auto. Not many can get anywhere near good in a manual.

I wish I had a customer car modified like Justins in an Auto. We would be well into the 11s on street tyres. With a 1.7x 60 foot time, Justins car would be 11.6 now without the flat shift etc.
adrian@vishnu is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      09-07-2011, 11:23 PM   #302
MrBlonde
Welcome! To the House of Batiatus!
 
MrBlonde's Avatar
 
Drives: 368 M Coupe, E82 135i, E70 X5
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sydney

Posts: 2,656
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via MSN to MrBlonde
Richard yeah totally, my reasons are not to do with engineering, they are purely the purist notion and also .. it's just a lot more fun (imnsho) to shift gears yourself.

Watch me shifting through 5 gears with the OEM BMW manual gearbox and watch the Mopar in the next lane with a tricked auto. See how my car loses momentum on every gear change, both from the throttle and compressor effects. And note how in the higher gears (with less gear shifts per feet travelled) my car eats him up.




I did not want to give the impression that drag racing an auto is BORING! God no, it's a Hell of a blast every time you go out, and competing at the lights only adds to it. You are also correct in that, the more times you compete, the more that feeling of isolation or lack of involvement in an auto tranny might bother you.

Some also argue that the Group One racecars (other than Pro Stock) are autos. But they aren't! They have to manually select each next gear, usually with the press of an air shifter button. They don't just sit back and wait 6 seconds!

Pro Stock use 5 speed gearbox. Watch the shift light.



Bleeder.
__________________
.-=[ Kenny ]=-. 1999 BMW M Coupe 10.775 @ 134.35 mph w/1.600 60' (Best 136.07 mph) 25th August 2004. +2010 X5 35D+

Check out the 1Addicts Drag Racing Standings and Drag Racing 101.
MrBlonde is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-08-2011, 02:38 AM   #303
JB4-335
Colonel
 
JB4-335's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 BSM & E91 BSM
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Australia

Posts: 2,515
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBK View Post
Stock wheels, Toyo R1R's 255/35/18

Stock diff

AR Downpipes, JB4, Coolingmist Meth kit, Riss racing intake
Nice tire choice Richard. Love those R1R's. Could be a good contribution to your 60' and that your a great driver. Hehe.
__________________
JB4
JB4-335 is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      09-08-2011, 03:32 AM   #304
BBK
Banned
 
Drives: A boring one...
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Australia

Posts: 3,078
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 BMW 135i  [2.88]
I can fairly say it was 98% due to the tyres...
BBK is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-08-2011, 03:42 AM   #305
MrBlonde
Welcome! To the House of Batiatus!
 
MrBlonde's Avatar
 
Drives: 368 M Coupe, E82 135i, E70 X5
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sydney

Posts: 2,656
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via MSN to MrBlonde
Disagree, you have talent Richard, the numbers prove it. That's why I've been harping on about drag racing competition ;-)
__________________
.-=[ Kenny ]=-. 1999 BMW M Coupe 10.775 @ 134.35 mph w/1.600 60' (Best 136.07 mph) 25th August 2004. +2010 X5 35D+

Check out the 1Addicts Drag Racing Standings and Drag Racing 101.
MrBlonde is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-08-2011, 04:23 AM   #306
BBK
Banned
 
Drives: A boring one...
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Australia

Posts: 3,078
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 BMW 135i  [2.88]
Kenny, give me a car to race and I'm in!
BBK is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      09-08-2011, 07:25 AM   #307
DMM
Enlisted Member
 
Drives: Ask my bank
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Sydney

Posts: 45
iTrader: (0)

personally have been racing in autos and manuals, can say that the difference is night and day skill wise!
DMM is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      09-08-2011, 06:01 PM   #308
BBK
Banned
 
Drives: A boring one...
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Australia

Posts: 3,078
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 BMW 135i  [2.88]
I find that in 1st gear, at least with a manual you have the clutch to use to modulate the power. In Auto, you only have one pedal to use. Some may actually find that harder or easier.

If you have 100% grip and no wheelspin, an auto is a piece of cake. But if there is plenty of wheelspin, I find it would probably be easier to use a manual and use some clutch slip to get off the line.
BBK is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:51 AM.




1addicts
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST