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      06-10-2011, 01:16 PM   #45
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Yep.

It has been rather clear since early this year that we would only see a MY2011 1M. Still, some folks like to dream. Doesn't get much more official than this production sheet! Not to mention there was never any hint from BMW that it would make it into 2012 production. Never! Yet people still like to dream I suppose.
Exactly.. I have reported in these forums MANY times, that a BMW NA official, Larry Koch, confirmed a single year for the 1M early this year. We also know that it was badged as 2011, even though the 1 series continues as 2012 model with the N55 motor.

Scott 26 has some good info.. but it's also been wrong at times, and is not official.

everyone here keeps saying... " this isn't official", however, it HAS been confirmed by a person that works for BMW NA. And it's being posted on this forum by Mods.... and I haven't seen a lot of FALSE posts from the mods... It is official... PERIOD. THE END.

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i thought it was pretty clear production would end in December 2011, my understanding is the N54 motor will not pass US emissions hence the 2011 model year and only be built for 2011
If so, then the 335is and Z4 35is will be either discontinued, or must switch to the N55. For that matter, the 740i/Li and Z4 35i must also be switching to the N55 (or be discontinued, but there's no chance of that).
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      06-10-2011, 01:18 PM   #47
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interesting. I wonder what's next on the menu
F22 M2 and F32 M3. But its going to be a while for those.
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I'm so disappointed my 335xi lease isn't up until oct 2012 the 1M was gonna be my next car guesss not
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Exactly.. I have reported in these forums MANY times, that a BMW NA official, Larry Koch, confirmed a single year for the 1M early this year. We also know that it was badged as 2011, even though the 1 series continues as 2012 model with the N55 motor.

Scott 26 has some good info.. but it's also been wrong at times, and is not official.

everyone here keeps saying... " this isn't official", however, it HAS been confirmed by a person that works for BMW NA. And it's being posted on this forum by Mods.... and I haven't seen a lot of FALSE posts from the mods... It is official... PERIOD. THE END.

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Well it still doesn't make sense? Why would the 1 Series continue for MY2012, but not the 1M? BMW wants to make money on this car, that's what they do. And they don't have to stock any, just build them for sold orders.

So it's clear that the N54 will continue for MY2012. And it's clear Canada has MY2012 1M models.

Please post something official where BMW states it's a one year production. If it is, they would have definitely stated it by now, several times, OFFICIALLY.
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Well it still doesn't make sense? Why would the 1 Series continue for MY2012, but not the 1M? BMW wants to make money on this car, that's what they do.
Maybe the margins on 135i's & M3's are higher? The 1M is a teaser Halo car to judge the reaction to forthcoming FI M2 & M3's

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Exactly.. I have reported in these forums MANY times, that a BMW NA official, Larry Koch, confirmed a single year for the 1M early this year. We also know that it was badged as 2011, even though the 1 series continues as 2012 model with the N55 motor.

Scott 26 has some good info.. but it's also been wrong at times, and is not official.

everyone here keeps saying... " this isn't official", however, it HAS been confirmed by a person that works for BMW NA. And it's being posted on this forum by Mods.... and I haven't seen a lot of FALSE posts from the mods... It is official... PERIOD. THE END.

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If so, then the 335is and Z4 35is will be either discontinued, or must switch to the N55. For that matter, the 740i/Li and Z4 35i must also be switching to the N55 (or be discontinued, but there's no chance of that).
Exactly. Think about the broader context for a moment and you start to realize what a ridiculous non-starter the "EPA OUTLAWS N54 FOR 2012!!!" theory behind the 1M is.

If they don't make a 2012 1M, or sell them as 2012's in the US, that won't be the reason why. The actual reason I can't really fathom given that E82 and E92M production is set to continue well into 2012...other than BMW playing marketing games to gin up interest and suspense for the forthcoming M2 (In which case I would simply say, "fail".)

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Well it still doesn't make sense? Why would the 1 Series continue for MY2012, but not the 1M? BMW wants to make money on this car, that's what they do. And they don't have to stock any, just build them for sold orders.

So it's clear that the N54 will continue for MY2012. And it's clear Canada has MY2012 1M models.

Please post something official where BMW states it's a one year production. If it is, they would have definitely stated it by now, several times, OFFICIALLY.
The N54 is not in the 1 series, only the 1M. The 2012 1 series is being built parallel to the 2011 1M. They switched to N55 a few years back on the 1 series.
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The N54 is not in the 1 series, only the 1M. The 2012 1 series is being built parallel to the 2011 1M. They switched to N55 a few years back on the 1 series.
Its actually an N54 "T"
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I knew for certain nearly six months ago... *shrug* The 2nd generation 1M/M2 likely will be an evolution of the current 1M.... of course it will have twin turbo 4, but the body styling I doubt will be a radical change..
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The N54 is not in the 1 series, only the 1M. The 2012 1 series is being built parallel to the 2011 1M. They switched to N55 a few years back on the 1 series.
Actually that just happened in 2011...
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eh this increased my appetite towards Cayman S
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eh this increased my appetite towards Cayman S
I'd probably just get the port injected 2.9l version if I planned on keeping it past warranty. Those 3.4 motors in the S versions suffer DI carbon buildup too.
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I'd probably just get the port injected 2.9l version if I planned on keeping it past warranty. Those 3.4 motors in the S versions suffer DI carbon buildup too.
I will track the sh!t out of it, I care less.
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The N54 is not in the 1 series, only the 1M. The 2012 1 series is being built parallel to the 2011 1M. They switched to N55 a few years back on the 1 series.
The N54 is also in the 335is and Z4is, is it not? Will they be changing those motors next year, or not offering those vehicles? If the N54 isn't certified next year for the 1M, then it can't be certified for those 2 'is' vehicles either, I presume.
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Well it still doesn't make sense? Why would the 1 Series continue for MY2012, but not the 1M? BMW wants to make money on this car, that's what they do. And they don't have to stock any, just build them for sold orders.

So it's clear that the N54 will continue for MY2012. And it's clear Canada has MY2012 1M models.

Please post something official where BMW states it's a one year production. If it is, they would have definitely stated it by now, several times, OFFICIALLY.
as far as "making money" on the 1M... I really consider this to be an engineering excercise. It is a parts bin car of sorts, so many of the items that were used to modify the 1M over the 135 were already " paid for". There are some development costs no doubt... but as far as I am concerned, this was a great way to gauge the market to answer the question if BMW fans would buy a car that isn't badged as an M3/M5/M6/MZ. The answer clearly is a resounding yes.. but the Leipzing plant makes the 1 series models, and the X1.. and the X1 is selling like hot cakes.. so much so that they had to delay the US debut by a year (probably so they could produce 1Ms right?)...

the E92 M3 sedan is going away... and the non M version is still being made and not going away right?
People still want to buy E92 sedans too right? The M cars always arrive to market later than the regular models and they typically leave the market earlier as well. It's been that way for years.

As far as building 1Ms for sold orders... for all we know.. that's exactly what they will do.

As far as posting something official... have you noticed that the same 3-4 people on this site post all the new updates?
Think about how/why that happens..
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as far as "making money" on the 1M... I really consider this to be an engineering excercise. It is a parts bin car of sorts, so many of the items that were used to modify the 1M over the 135 were already " paid for". There are some development costs no doubt... but as far as I am concerned, this was a great way to gauge the market to answer the question if BMW fans would buy a car that isn't badged as an M3/M5/M6/MZ. The answer clearly is a resounding yes.. but the Leipzing plant makes the 1 series models, and the X1.. and the X1 is selling like hot cakes.. so much so that they had to delay the US debut by a year (probably so they could produce 1Ms right?)...

the E92 M3 sedan is going away... and the non M version is still being made and not going away right?
People still want to buy E92 sedans too right? The M cars always arrive to market later than the regular models and they typically leave the market earlier as well. It's been that way for years.

As far as building 1Ms for sold orders... for all we know.. that's exactly what they will do.

As far as posting something official... have you noticed that the same 3-4 people on this site post all the new updates?
Think about how/why that happens..
Firstly, can somebody post the MY2012 for the E90 sedan. I would like to see that the E90 sedan is still going to be here for 2012. Because I would think that they're ending that sedan all together, are they not? Or limiting it to a short six month production. Which is why they are stopping the M3 sedan. To prepare for the next gen.

Secondly, BMW USA didn't get the X1 because of price, not because of what they could produce. No matter what anybody says, this is why. BMW is not going to ever tell the public they are bickering over price internally. They couldn't agree on a price, which is why you don't have them. If you look at Canadian pricing it's all messed up because we paid the money to get the X1. Our X1 is almost the same price as the X3, literally. Plus we have more X1's in stock than 3 Series. We have tons! They way over allocated Canada.

Thirdly, BMW almost always in recent years past does at least a 2-3 year production on every model. Even on the oddball cars such as this. Look at the Z3M Coupe, Z4M Coupe, X5is, 335is, all two year productions.

Finally, it seems like an aweful lot of money spent for an "engineering exercise". Especially to follow it with a lot of advertising, dealer guides, videos etc. Then to make the effort and expense of bringin it to North America. We never get the best stuff. Why would they spend the money to bring us a training exercise?

I just have a tough time believing they would stop it because BMW USA order information from a Sales Manager says so. It's been proven that the N54 will continue into MY2012 in the "is" models despite emission regulations. And the current E82 1 Series will continue into MY2012. And just so I have what you're saying correct...Canada is going to stop producing a MY2012 1M in December of 2011? I'm sorry but this just doesn't makes sense to me at all.
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