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      06-11-2011, 12:24 PM   #1
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First oil change ... what kind of oil ??

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I'm currently at 12 000 kms with my 2011 135i. It's time for my first oil change but which oil should i use ??

Also... do i only need to change the oil or the filter also ??
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I'm currently at 12 000 kms with my 2011 135i. It's time for my first oil change but which oil should i use ??

Also... do i only need to change the oil or the filter also ??
change the oil and the filter, use only LL-01 or LL-04 oil. Weight and viscosity may differ depending on your needs and conditions, but I believe 5W-30 is what is suggested. You can buy an oil change kit from Dan@unitedbmw for $65 with a new filter, drain plug, washer, and 7 qts. of BMW's oil.

I'd advise that you crack open your owners manual and find all this stuff out yourself, or just use
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OP - since you live in NA what ever oil you use it should have a: "BMW Long Life-1 (LL1) rating" on the back of the bottle. There are not many oils that have this rating! Make sure it says: LL-1.

I believe your owners manual will say to use these viscosities: 0W30, 0W40, 5W30, 5W40

Here is a very good writeup on how to change your oil youself, if you are so inclinded. But most dealers charge around $120 or less. Still I prefer to change my oil myself. Even though this DIY is for a 128i, it is all basically the same. You can read thru it where I posted my DIY oil change for my 135i and the tools I used.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301440

And here is a good thread on which oil to use...

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...+long+life+oil



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You should also change the filter when changing the oil.
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Hi !

I'm currently at 12 000 kms with my 2011 135i. It's time for my first oil change but which oil should i use ??

Also... do i only need to change the oil or the filter also ??
You are aware that free maintenance is included for 4years/80,000km, aren't you? So why not save your money and have your BMW dealer do the service? We can assume they will use the correct 5w30 oil and filter and they will properly reset the computer.

BTW, why do you think you need an oil change at 12,000kms?

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      06-12-2011, 04:23 PM   #5
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Because my first free maintenance will be at around 26 000 kms...
Pretty much everyone i ask tell me to do one oil change myself between the free ones BMW does... I also bought the car better keep it in good shape !
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Because my first free maintenance will be at around 26 000 kms...
Pretty much everyone i ask tell me to do one oil change myself between the free ones BMW does... I also bought the car better keep it in good shape !

Yea... BMW's OCI are too long for me too.

I first changed my oil at; 2,400 kms, then 5K kms, then 10K, then every 6K to 8K kms after that. I know that is probably over kill, but I sleep better at night! I think since our cars are DI and have long OCI's I would rather pay a little bit more (now) for more frequent oil changes than to have a lot of carbon buildup later on.


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Wow 3 oil changes in 10K kms ! i think that one every 10 000 kms is enough no ?
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Yea... BMW's OCI are too long for me too.

I first changed my oil at; 2,400 kms, then 5K kms, then 10K, then every 6K to 8K kms after that. I know that is probably over kill, but I sleep better at night! I think since our cars are DI and have long OCI's I would rather pay a little bit more (now) for more frequent oil changes than to have a lot of carbon buildup later on.


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Hey you seem to know a lot on BMWs ! I was wondering what kind of tires do you use ? What do you think of going with non runflats ? I don't really enjoy the potenza re050 with their short tread wear !
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Wow 3 oil changes in 10K kms ! i think that one every 10 000 kms is enough no ?

In the "old days" gee I am sounding old!(I'm only in my early 40's!) ...car people would change the oil after 30 minutes of an engine rebuild. Then maybe at 500 miles a few times, then every few thousand miles there after. I think even with todays micro tolerences... some metal is bound to end up inside of a new motor. This is really why you want to change the oil. Maybe it makes no real difference. But I ask you this... why does BMW have this double standard when it comes to regular BMW models and //M models?

Why does BMW say that a //M model must have its oil and filter and diff oil and manual trans oil - all changed at 1,200 miles... when say a 135i can go (up too) 18K miles before just the engine oil gets changed? Makes no sense to me. I don't buy into BMW long OCI (oil change intervals). Btw... and BMW says on these //M models to change all teh fluids every third oil change too! So... what do you think about Lifetime fluids now? I am not buying into their hype.



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Hey you seem to know a lot on BMWs ! I was wondering what kind of tires do you use ? What do you think of going with non runflats ? I don't really enjoy the potenza re050 with their short tread wear !

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As for tires... I decided to ditch the runflats in favor of Michelin PS3's. I am VERY HAPPY with them! You can read more of what I think of my PS3's here...

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...chelin+PS3%27s




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Because my first free maintenance will be at around 26 000 kms...
Pretty much everyone i ask tell me to do one oil change myself between the free ones BMW does... I also bought the car better keep it in good shape !
I'd agree with the idea of one change between scheduled changes - but why not have your dealer do it? If you specify an "Interim Oil/Filter" change without the usual other service checks, it generally costs around $100 in the US, perhaps a bit more in Canada.

This should insure that you get the correct oil and may even help build a relationship with your dealer's service department. Over the years, I've found this to be very useful.

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Your dealer will do one at one year even if the indicator says otherwise.
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I'd agree with the idea of one change between scheduled changes - but why not have your dealer do it? If you specify an "Interim Oil/Filter" change without the usual other service checks, it generally costs around $100 in the US, perhaps a bit more in Canada.

This should insure that you get the correct oil and may even help build a relationship with your dealer's service department. Over the years, I've found this to be very useful.

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I'm with Tom on this one. Building a relationship is VERY important. Just yesterday I needed a part at my dealership... the parts dept had already closed down an hour and half before I got there. Only the service dept was open for customer car's to be picked up. The guy I know there was nice enough to open the parts dept back up for me and get me the part I needed! Thats is very nice 'service".


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Wow you waited 12,000 km's to change your oil? I did mine at ~2,000.

Any LL-04 approved oil is fine. Most common are Castrol 0W30, Mobil 1 0W40, or the OEM 5W30.
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Wow you waited 12,000 km's to change your oil? I did mine at ~2,000.

Any LL-04 approved oil is fine. Most common are Castrol 0W30, Mobil 1 0W40, or the OEM 5W30.

WRONG!

Brandon - you are in the US right? Then you need to use LL-1 oil.

NOT LL-4 ( bc that is for Germany/European low sulfur fuels)

LL-1 = North America
LL-4 = Germany/Europe.


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True Mr. Dackel ...and no one has shown a need to change the oil more often than the BMW CBS OCIs or that doing so provides any benefit to the engine.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=546467&page=2

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Yea... but I too changed my oil at: 1,200 miles, 2,500 miles, 5,000 miles and then every 6K miles. Call me nuts.. but I sleep better at night.

When I change my oil and see how water'd down it is by fuel... how thin it looks and how black it is just with those few thousand miles... I could NEVER leave it for as long as BMW say too. Maybe this is why my engine has always felt really strong. I don't know. Perhaps its just a "lucky" motor. But I do sleep better with very frequent OCI's every 6K miles. ::


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WRONG!

Brandon - you are in the US right? Then you need to use LL-1 oil.

NOT LL-4 ( bc that is for Germany/European low sulfur fuels)

LL-1 = North America
LL-4 = Germany/Europe.


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That's right, LL-01. LL-04 is for diesels and euros

I used the Mobil 1 because it was on the shelf at Wal-Mart and I had a gift card to burn through. LL-01 oils can be a little tricky to find on the shelf at times.
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That's right, LL-01. LL-04 is for diesels and euros

I used the Mobil 1 because it was on the shelf at Wal-Mart and I had a gift card to burn through. LL-01 oils can be a little tricky to find on the shelf at times.

I was talking about GASOLINE engines not Diesels.

LL-1 = USA/Canada high sulfur fuels
LL-4 = Germany/Europe low sulfur fuels



The ONLY Mobil-1 oil that is rated LL-1 is this one


Mobil-1 0w40 European Blend LL-1...




Personally I prefer the German Castrol (G.C) over the Mobil-1 oil. I have noticed(as others here have too!) lower oil temps and a quieter engine, esp on cold starts it has less of a metalic clicking.

This is what I use:

Castrol RS Edge LL-4 0w40 (bc I live in Germany with low sulfur fuels!) I think there IS a reason why BMW says to use Castrol oils.




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I was talking about GASOLINE engines not Diesels.

LL-1 = USA/Canada high sulfur fuels
LL-4 = Germany/Europe low sulfur fuels



The ONLY Mobil-1 oil that is rated LL-1 is this one


Mobil-1 0w40 European Blend LL-1...




Personally I prefer the German Castrol (G.C) over the Mobil-1 oil. I have noticed(as others here have too!) lower oil temps and a quieter engine, esp on cold starts it has less of a metalic clicking.

This is what I use:

Castrol RS Edge LL-4 0w40 (bc I live in Germany with low sulfur fuels!) I think there IS a reason why BMW says to use Castrol oils.




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I know. I'm pretty sure I've read "d" BMW's in USA/Canada call for LL-04 though as well (just as trivia). Pump diesel sold in the US is now qualified as "low sulfer", which is fairly recent if I recall.

I haven't noticed any mal-performance with the Mobil 1, but I'll probably try the German Castrol just for fun next time if I still have the car. (To be clear, I mean't Mobil 1 as in "Mobil 1 0W40 LL-01", not just any version of Mobil 1. They had it on the shelf at Wal-Mart so that's what I went with.)

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I change my oil every 5k miles. I'd run out if I waited till 15k (literally). Think about it. BMW used to say 3-5k and now when it's on their dime they say 15k.

Doing this takes these cars out of the "used car pool" later so they can sell new more easily. BMW says 100k on transmission fluid! That's freaking crazy.

Think about it, if you're leasing then just go with it and hand the thing back, but if you own it you'll be way better off keeping your changes more frequently. Trusting a dealer, manufacturer, etc. is like trusting the government. Feels good...but winds up screwing you some how.
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You are suppose to add oil as the engine consumes it. Customers in Europe pay for their own oil changes and their OCI is up to 30,000 km or 18,600 miles. They have no oil related engine issues nor do U.S. owners who follow the BMW prescribed CBS OCIs up to 15,000 miles.

^^Yea... BUT.... most Germans drive less than 12K kms per year. IF you do find a German who drives a lot... its like 20K kms - and those guys will almost always be driving a diesel bc fuel costs $9 per gallon over here.

MOST Germans will only keep a new car for a few years(I'd say two years). Most lease their cars (not buy, most have their company lease teh car for them!), and after two years they get another one... bc paying for the BIG two year service, or paying for brakes or tires... they would rather just buy a new car. Then these cars get sold outside of Germany - never to be seen again. True.

AND... most Germans only change their oil once per year. I think that is totally NUTS(!) - but most Germans do that. And for the really old cars you see still be drivien over here... they are ticking like a mo-fo bc of long OCI's. At least that is what I have noticed.

Oil is cheap... engines are not.
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Sorry if this is dumb, but someone explain to me why one person with a 1er would use a 5w40 oil and another a 0w40 oil, etc. with the same car and same driving??? Whats best for our engine? I do know the 0-5-10 is for the weight of the oil which I guess stands for its thickness?
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