1M performance tuner?

[Satalite]

Yah there might be a lot of these, but there is no answer. Does anyone know of any current performance tuners that work or will work in the next couple months (in production)?

Stats or HP gains would be great...

So far JB4 is the only one that is in mind that might work but I do not know the HP/torque gain.

Any help is appreciated!

[MDORPHN]

Originally Posted by Satalite

Yah there might be a lot of these, but there is no answer. Does anyone know of any current performance tuners that work or will work in the next couple months (in production)?

Stats or HP gains would be great...

So far JB4 is the only one that is in mind that might work but I do not know the HP/torque gain.

Any help is appreciated!

Vishnu Tuning Procede and Cobb Accessport come readily to mind.

Loads of info if you search.

Neil

[Dan Parker]

Epic Motorsports is testing a tune since 2 weeks ago. I"hear" it is very smooth and made the car feel noticeably slower when put back to stock. Dyno results aren't available yet.
Epic has been involved in engine building and software tuning for multiple successful racecars and are now beginning to offer the same level of tuning to the street market. They are well known in BMW club racing circles.

[formula M]

Originally Posted by MDORPHN

Vishnu Tuning Procede and Cobb Accessport come readily to mind.

Loads of info if you search.

Neil

Neither of which, are a tune. Correct?

[MDORPHN]

Originally Posted by formula M

Neither of which, are a tune. Correct?

No, they are both tunes. Procede is a very sophisticated piggyback with multiple maps and user adjustable parameters and Accessport is a flash tune, also with multiple maps.

Neil

[HP Autowerks]

Originally Posted by Satalite

Yah there might be a lot of these, but there is no answer. Does anyone know of any current performance tuners that work or will work in the next couple months (in production)?

Stats or HP gains would be great...

So far JB4 is the only one that is in mind that might work but I do not know the HP/torque gain.

Any help is appreciated!

GIAC

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=539943

[formula M]

Originally Posted by MDORPHN

No, they are both tunes. Procede is a very sophisticated piggyback with multiple maps and user adjustable parameters and Accessport is a flash tune, also with multiple maps.

Neil

Er.. piggyback. {Does not equal} tune.

If u do not have full access to engine, then it cannot be a tune. Shiv already had to admit such to Mr Conforti. And it seems a good deal of people don't understand the difference.

[MDORPHN]

Originally Posted by formula M

Er.. piggyback. {Does not equal} tune.

If u do not have full access to engine, then it cannot be a tune. Shiv already had to admit such to Mr Conforti. And it seems a good deal of people don't understand the difference.

Semantics. And I know the difference.


Neil

[clived]

Originally Posted by MDORPHN

Semantics. And I know the difference.

To say "semantics" here would in normal useage suggest that actually you don't think there is any difference between the two and it's just a pointless discussion over the meaning of some of the words. Surely it's far from it. A piggyback is a compromise that, for various reasons, people are happy or forced to accept. It doesn't mean it doesn't provide a good solution and that they are not good products, but it doesn't make it the same as a full, on the ECU, tune.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by MDORPHN

Semantics. And I know the difference.


Neil

Agree...they are all performance tunes of some variety regardless if the ECU parameters are manipulated via a re-flash or piggyback system.

JB+ is a performance tune as well and doesn't even touch the ECU.

[MDORPHN]

Originally Posted by clived

To say "semantics" here would in normal useage suggest that actually you don't think there is any difference between the two and it's just a pointless discussion over the meaning of some of the words. Surely it's far from it. A piggyback is a compromise that, for various reasons, people are happy or forced to accept. It doesn't mean it doesn't provide a good solution and that they are not good products, but it doesn't make it the same as a full, on the ECU, tune.

There are, of course, profound differences in the approach and a flash tune is, undoubtedly, more elegant than a piggyback.

On the other hand, a piggyback can do things that a flash tune can not do, such as advancing or retarding timing beyond the "stock" parameters, user adjustable gear and boost-related traction control, and full integration of meth injection.

A discussion of the pros/cons of piggyback v. flashtune can be meaningful (and go on ad nauseum), but to proclaim that a piggyback does not constitute a tune is incorrect.

Neil

[clived]

I said it isn't the same. I didn't say it isn't a tune.

[MDORPHN]

Originally Posted by clived

I said it isn't the same. I didn't say it isn't a tune.

Yes, understood. That was in response to the OP.

Neil

[clived]

Originally Posted by MDORPHN

Yes, understood. That was in response to the OP.

Neil

LOL - gotta love forums (and they way they make us post, read and percieve things!)

[T1T2GRE]

Doesn't matter to me either way, so long as my 1SMC will be "more fasterer".

[hwelvaar]

Originally Posted by T1T2GRE

as long as my 1SMC will be "more fasterer".

That's like.... 3 times faster... LOL

[formula M]

Originally Posted by MDORPHN

There are, of course, profound differences in the approach and a flash tune is, undoubtedly, more elegant than a piggyback.

On the other hand, a piggyback can do things that a flash tune can not do, such as advancing or retarding timing beyond the "stock" parameters, user adjustable gear and boost-related traction control, and full integration of meth injection.

A discussion of the pros/cons of piggyback v. flashtune can be meaningful (and go on ad nauseum), but to proclaim that a piggyback does not constitute a tune is incorrect.

Neil

My friend, the profound difference is not the approach, but the thousands of different parameters you have utter control of. Where as a piggy has basically a handful of outputs to work with.

Secondly, an ECU can do those things.. lol.

Unless you have full control over the engine, then you cannot tune it. Therefore all you can do is tweak it. That is all a piggybacks does, hence the name; piggyback off the ECU...


A piggy is not a tune, that is the reason there is already a name for such a procedure... it's called piggybacking!

And there is a major difference.. (marketing from Shiv aside)

[JHOOPS2]

[ESC OFF]

Cobb has not released a "product" for the 1M yet, only the N54 135/335 not the "is"

[Elsabor67]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

[clived]

Originally Posted by formula M;9839033[B

A piggy is not a tune[/b], that is the reason there is already a name for such a procedure... it's called piggybacking!

And there is a major difference.. (marketing from Shiv aside)

Despite being an advocate of direct ECU tuning over plug-in boxes, I'm going to disagree. "A tune" is what happens, or what gets applied if you will, to the engine as a whole. A plug-on box, or a direct ECU remap are the mechanisms used to deliver that "tune". Think about what tuning was before we even had ECUs - it was polishing your intake manifolds, fitting a less restrictive exhaust, whatever released some more power. Tuning is doing something to give you more power (or torque, whatever ;-) ). A piggy-back does that. A direct ECU remap does that. Both are tunes.