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      06-15-2011, 03:45 PM   #1
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1M performance tuner?

Yah there might be a lot of these, but there is no answer. Does anyone know of any current performance tuners that work or will work in the next couple months (in production)?

Stats or HP gains would be great...

So far JB4 is the only one that is in mind that might work but I do not know the HP/torque gain.

Any help is appreciated!
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Yah there might be a lot of these, but there is no answer. Does anyone know of any current performance tuners that work or will work in the next couple months (in production)?

Stats or HP gains would be great...

So far JB4 is the only one that is in mind that might work but I do not know the HP/torque gain.

Any help is appreciated!
Vishnu Tuning Procede and Cobb Accessport come readily to mind.

Loads of info if you search.

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      06-15-2011, 05:42 PM   #3
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Epic Motorsports is testing a tune since 2 weeks ago. I"hear" it is very smooth and made the car feel noticeably slower when put back to stock. Dyno results aren't available yet.
Epic has been involved in engine building and software tuning for multiple successful racecars and are now beginning to offer the same level of tuning to the street market. They are well known in BMW club racing circles.
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Neither of which, are a tune. Correct?
No, they are both tunes. Procede is a very sophisticated piggyback with multiple maps and user adjustable parameters and Accessport is a flash tune, also with multiple maps.

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Yah there might be a lot of these, but there is no answer. Does anyone know of any current performance tuners that work or will work in the next couple months (in production)?

Stats or HP gains would be great...

So far JB4 is the only one that is in mind that might work but I do not know the HP/torque gain.

Any help is appreciated!
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      06-17-2011, 07:52 AM   #6
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Er.. piggyback. {Does not equal} tune.

If u do not have full access to engine, then it cannot be a tune. Shiv already had to admit such to Mr Conforti. And it seems a good deal of people don't understand the difference.
Semantics. And I know the difference.


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Semantics. And I know the difference.
To say "semantics" here would in normal useage suggest that actually you don't think there is any difference between the two and it's just a pointless discussion over the meaning of some of the words. Surely it's far from it. A piggyback is a compromise that, for various reasons, people are happy or forced to accept. It doesn't mean it doesn't provide a good solution and that they are not good products, but it doesn't make it the same as a full, on the ECU, tune.
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Semantics. And I know the difference.


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Agree...they are all performance tunes of some variety regardless if the ECU parameters are manipulated via a re-flash or piggyback system.

JB+ is a performance tune as well and doesn't even touch the ECU.
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To say "semantics" here would in normal useage suggest that actually you don't think there is any difference between the two and it's just a pointless discussion over the meaning of some of the words. Surely it's far from it. A piggyback is a compromise that, for various reasons, people are happy or forced to accept. It doesn't mean it doesn't provide a good solution and that they are not good products, but it doesn't make it the same as a full, on the ECU, tune.
There are, of course, profound differences in the approach and a flash tune is, undoubtedly, more elegant than a piggyback.

On the other hand, a piggyback can do things that a flash tune can not do, such as advancing or retarding timing beyond the "stock" parameters, user adjustable gear and boost-related traction control, and full integration of meth injection.

A discussion of the pros/cons of piggyback v. flashtune can be meaningful (and go on ad nauseum), but to proclaim that a piggyback does not constitute a tune is incorrect.

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I said it isn't the same. I didn't say it isn't a tune.
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I said it isn't the same. I didn't say it isn't a tune.
Yes, understood. That was in response to the OP.

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Yes, understood. That was in response to the OP.

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LOL - gotta love forums (and they way they make us post, read and percieve things!)
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as long as my 1SMC will be "more fasterer".
That's like.... 3 times faster... LOL
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Cobb has not released a "product" for the 1M yet, only the N54 135/335 not the "is"
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A piggy is not a tune[/b], that is the reason there is already a name for such a procedure... it's called piggybacking!

And there is a major difference.. (marketing from Shiv aside)
Despite being an advocate of direct ECU tuning over plug-in boxes, I'm going to disagree. "A tune" is what happens, or what gets applied if you will, to the engine as a whole. A plug-on box, or a direct ECU remap are the mechanisms used to deliver that "tune". Think about what tuning was before we even had ECUs - it was polishing your intake manifolds, fitting a less restrictive exhaust, whatever released some more power. Tuning is doing something to give you more power (or torque, whatever ;-) ). A piggy-back does that. A direct ECU remap does that. Both are tunes.
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Despite being an advocate of direct ECU tuning over plug-in boxes, I'm going to disagree. "A tune" is what happens, or what gets applied if you will, to the engine as a whole. A plug-on box, or a direct ECU remap are the mechanisms used to deliver that "tune". Think about what tuning was before we even had ECUs - it was polishing your intake manifolds, fitting a less restrictive exhaust, whatever released some more power. Tuning is doing something to give you more power (or torque, whatever ;-) ). A piggy-back does that. A direct ECU remap does that. Both are tunes.



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ESS Tuning's Direct Flasher

I will be getting a prototype tune from ESS Tuning via their Direct Flasher this week. There will be different stages from what I understand. Similar to the tune that I had on my previous 135i, which had a stage 1, 2 and a 2+ for higher octane.

I can't wait to get even more power out of this fantastic little rocket!

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