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      07-09-2011, 04:39 PM   #1
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Best Tyre for 135i?????

For your experiance and what you have heard what would be the best performance tyre for my 135i??

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      07-09-2011, 08:17 PM   #2
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      07-09-2011, 09:00 PM   #3
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I don't think there is any question....the answer is Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires
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      07-09-2011, 10:16 PM   #4
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if you read any of the SCCA forums or GRM everyone is going to tell you RS3's. depending on the size you are looking for the most common ones are on backorder. 255/40/17 is backordered for like 2 months. i just ordered a set of 225/45/17's for my car from tirerack and they should be in on monday. they are like $120 each and the fastest street tire out there right now.

here are the results from this years GRM street tire tests. i am not sure how many miles you are planning to get out of the tire but RS3's are the best bang for the buck. just about everyone in ST classes is running them, and hankook doesn't have a contingency sponsorship plan (that i am aware of) like other manufacturers if that tells you anything.



they are up to a full second faster than the star specs that everyone was clamoring over last year.
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      07-09-2011, 10:51 PM   #5
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Just throwing in that the very common Hankook Ventus V12 Evo tires are a great bang for the buck, but certainly are NOT the best tires. That may be obvious but with as often as they are mentioned here you might think there was something superior about them.

I've got them on my Eclipse, after I wore out a set of Potenza S-03's and wasn't willing to pay that much again for tires on a car I knew I would be selling. The S-03's smoked the Hankooks for raw handling / cornering speeds.
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      07-09-2011, 10:59 PM   #6
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Hankook RS3's will be my next tire, they're even cheap!

I've been using them for 2 years on my mazda and love them.
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      07-10-2011, 01:36 AM   #7
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if you read any of the SCCA forums or GRM everyone is going to tell you RS3's. depending on the size you are looking for the most common ones are on backorder. 255/40/17 is backordered for like 2 months. i just ordered a set of 225/45/17's for my car from tirerack and they should be in on monday. they are like $120 each and the fastest street tire out there right now.

here are the results from this years GRM street tire tests. i am not sure how many miles you are planning to get out of the tire but RS3's are the best bang for the buck. just about everyone in ST classes is running them, and hankook doesn't have a contingency sponsorship plan (that i am aware of) like other manufacturers if that tells you anything.



they are up to a full second faster than the star specs that everyone was clamoring over last year.
If you don't need every last second, but still want one of the stickiest performance tires, the Star Specs are about 50 bucks cheaper in 135i sizes with the current promotion offer, and have a better UTQG wear rating (although I'll admit that measurement doesn't mean much).
I'm also interested in seeing some data for the RS-3s in the wet, as I know the Star Specs are very grippy in wet conditions, but haven't seen much data on the RS-3s yet. I think GRM is prepping a wet tire test soon.
From what I've read, the RS-3s have softer sidewalls, so it'll be interesting to see how they hold up in autocrossing conditions with the fairly heavy weight and limited amount of negative camber we have. What may work for one car (i.e. the GRM test) may not be ideal for another car. (See my edit at far bottom) The Direzzas have nice stiff sidewalls, but they also make lots of road noise, especially once they are worn a bit.
That being said, I autocross/track frequently and am considering the RS-3 as my next set, as a difference of a second on an autocross course matters to me - if it doesn't for you (OP), consider the Star Specs as well. They're still quite the performers and even cheaper than the RS-3s.

Either way, I don't think you can go wrong - super sticky tires at very affordable prices.

If I was looking for a little more tire longevity, I might try the Michelin PSS for a few bucks more; their new compound seems to offer more grip than previous versions at lower wear rates.

EDIT: FWIW, the 2010 STU Nationals were dominated by the Dunlops, and the rest of the ST classes were won by Toyos. I'm guessing this is because the heavier cars in STU like the stiffer sidewalls of the Dunlops more. We'll see if that changes this year, but I have my doubts.

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      07-10-2011, 09:56 AM   #8
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the feed back from my friends that are already on the RS3's is that they were no where near as good as the star specs in the wet. the sidewall is super flexible on the RS3's but they grip level is incredible. we took a video for our suspension sponsor a few events ago and the most impressive thing we saw was tire deflection.

https://www.youtube.com/user/shenani.../1/wfS1UltZsTw

if you aren't going to be autoXing starspecs would probably be a better option. i will let you know how i like the RS3's next week. i am going to DD on them for a week and then take them to their first autoX on the 17th.
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      07-10-2011, 12:37 PM   #9
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There is no way to answer this question with so little information. I agree with each post above, but for different aspects. The Hankook V12 are great street tires and at a cheap price. Quiet, good in the wet, and decent grip. When it comes to auto-x and track, I haven't tried the RS-3, but the Direzza's are excellent. Very stiff with great feedback and predictability. Lots of grip, in wet and dry. I daily drive them and they are excellent, however, they are probably overkill if you are a street only driver. If you want the best all out performance get Hoosiers, but likely this is not what you are after. Some more information about desired wear, how they will be used, performance category, and then it should be easier to make a recommendation.

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      07-10-2011, 07:56 PM   #10
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I can't believe nobody has said AD08s yet. I've used the hankook ventus V12s (actually using them right now) and there is absolutely no comparison between the yokohamas and those. AD08s beat the hell out of the hankooks. The Dunlops are also a good tire, but I'd definitely go with AD08s. I've used all three on the street and on track and I can tell you right now you won't regret getting AD08s.
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      07-13-2011, 12:45 PM   #11
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Michelin PSSs - best tire there is so far. Incredible tire.
Ask Gill from the Tire Rack if you want comparisons.
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      07-13-2011, 06:22 PM   #12
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Those Hankooks sound like the way to go as far as price.


Where is the best place to buy tires? Everywhere I look doesn't seem to have much of a selection for the 135i's stock 245/35/18.
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Those Hankooks sound like the way to go as far as price.


Where is the best place to buy tires? Everywhere I look doesn't seem to have much of a selection for the 135i's stock 245/35/18.
tirerack.com
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      07-14-2011, 08:29 AM   #14
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For your experiance and what you have heard what would be the best performance tyre for my 135i??

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First decide whether you want an Extreme Performance tire like Star Specs or Max Performance like PSS. Extreme Performance emphasizes dry grip. Some of them like Star Specs also have good wet grip.

Max Performance tires generally compromise dry grip for better wet grip, better comfort, less noise, and longer life. Reviews say that PSS has amazing dry grip for Max Performance, so I guess that means close or equal to the Extreme performance tires.
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There is no "best tire for the car". Only a best tire for what you're doing with the car.
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There is no "best tire for the car". Only a best tire for what you're doing with the car.
Somebody took philosophy 101 in college


I ran PS2s for 2 years and 35K miles...no matter how I'm driving my new starspecs this season have felt better and gripped harder
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Somebody took philosophy 101 in college


I ran PS2s for 2 years and 35K miles...no matter how I'm driving my new starspecs this season have felt better and gripped harder
How's the road noise on the star specs compared to the stock run flats?
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      07-17-2011, 10:11 PM   #18
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i can tell you that i took my new 128 out for it's first autoX today on a brand new set of RS3's and when they are at temp they are the greatest street tire i have ever driven on.

we had to basically hot lap the car today with my codriver, but before the tire temp was over 160degrees they stuck like glue. they are a great tire.
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      09-02-2011, 09:43 AM   #19
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EDIT: FWIW, the 2010 STU Nationals were dominated by the Dunlops, and the rest of the ST classes were won by Toyos. I'm guessing this is because the heavier cars in STU like the stiffer sidewalls of the Dunlops more. We'll see if that changes this year, but I have my doubts.
As I suspected, 2011 was also dominated by Dunlops, with a few more Hankooks peppered among them (compared to last year), although none challenging for top honors: http://sololive.scca.com/STU.html

It's clear, once again, that the 2WD cars in STU need help. Best finish by 2WD is a Honda Civic in 26th. Our guy from gotcone.com is in there too, in 31st.
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In this year's SCCA results involving larger wheels and tires (17"+), Dunlops and Yokohama's were in the front of the field with Bridgestone being the third manufacturer.
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      09-12-2011, 02:04 PM   #21
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I managed to stuff Michelin PSS 265/35/18's on the rear and 225/40/18 on mine with 0 suspension mods.

The right rear will rub slightly when hitting a large dip at speed. Doesn't rub over speed bumps.
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Dry? Hankook RS3

Wet? Bridgestone RE-11
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