135, Major Engine Problems, NOT happy

blschaefer1 · 08-14-2011, 10:53 AM

I have a 2012 135i, 1700 miles, no issues whatsoever.

I do notice a rattling-type noise at cold startup. My prior M coupe did something similar. Did some research and discovered it was normal and related to the VANOS variable valve timing mechanisms prior to getting fully lubricated at cold startup. I can't hear your clip, but my hunch is that this is the same and probably normal for N55 based cars.

e34m5 · 08-14-2011, 11:00 AM

The cold start issues are common to most german engines. The oil ports are very small and it takes a while before the oil heats up enough to flow readily.

BMW engines in particular have a noticeable "valve chattering" sound when cold.

None of what you describe sounds abnormal to me. I would only worry if these noises were still present after the engine reaches operating temp.

Also remember that for these engine operating temp is around 250*deg F, which takes quite a while to reach.

Jatran661 · 08-14-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan_h

I see you are in the (sf?) bay area. What dealer? We've got several. And some might be better at addressing it than others.

Yeah I went to sfbmw. which dealer you reccommend?

Jatran661 · 08-14-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blschaefer1

I have a 2012 135i, 1700 miles, no issues whatsoever.

I do notice a rattling-type noise at cold startup. My prior M coupe did something similar. Did some research and discovered it was normal and related to the VANOS variable valve timing mechanisms prior to getting fully lubricated at cold startup. I can't hear your clip, but my hunch is that this is the same and probably normal for N55 based cars.

The noise doesnt sound normal though. My friend with a 335i or 328i doesnt have that sort of noise at all. Ill try to record a sound clip and upload it. Sorry for stealing your thread.

shockin330i · 08-14-2011, 07:37 PM

The noise is very normal. Its the sound of the direct injection.
/thread

nato-main-man-5am · 08-15-2011, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jatran661

Yeah I went to sfbmw. which dealer you reccommend?

I'm not familiar with SF, so I cannot compare. But my friends like Stevens Creek BMW in San Jose. fwiw.

doublevanosrc · 08-15-2011, 09:45 AM

Wheel alignment should be covered for the first 1000 miles, i had an issue with alignment with a bimmer years ago.

Caleb · 08-15-2011, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by theBigD23

Hello...
-engine start: when starting engine, after a cold start especially, engine is very loud to the point it sounds like something is wrong with it. Please listen to the audio. Does it sound odd? It's this loud even after being driven for a while. It's about twice as loud after a cold start. Notice the clicking sound at the beginning? At the end, there is also a weird sound before the engine goes fully off. A beeping like sound.

Cold start sound is normal. Here is the reason for it:

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=14

KinoBoom · 08-15-2011, 12:03 PM

I really wish you titled your thread differently. Like for example: "Hearing a possible bad noise coming from the engine". Threads that start like yours give this car a bad reputation for no reason.
What you are hearing is normal. And since your car is new you should not worry as it is all covered under BMW warranty.
Good luck.

theBigD23 · 08-16-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KinoBoom

I really wish you titled your thread differently. Like for example: "Hearing a possible bad noise coming from the engine". Threads that start like yours give this car a bad reputation for no reason.
What you are hearing is normal. And since your car is new you should not worry as it is all covered under BMW warranty.
Good luck.

Your post is wrong on many levels. First, I've had a 135 since 2008 and know what the engine should sound like. The engine sounds completely off, verified by multiple people. I know it's a slightly different engine, but clanking and rattling is NOT normal. A car veering to the right is NOT normal. A car making rattling/cranking sounds while hitting the gas pedal in a normal driving condition is NOT normal.

Just because it's covered by warranty, doesn't mean I shouldn't be frustrated. It's a car with 400 miles that I'm paying good money for. I don't like, after waiting 6 weeks for the car, get another rental and have to leave a brand new car at the shop. This is not even mentioning my first 1 series having to go to the shop for 7 MAJOR service fixes for the engine and other issues. 1 of the major issues, the car was in the shop for 10 days, the last month of the lease.

I guess telling myself, "I just got unlucky" and getting another 1 series was the poor decision on my end.

theBigD23 · 08-16-2011, 03:06 PM

Sorry for the late reply. The only update I have is that I put the car in for service yesterday. Once I hear back with info, I'll let everyone know.

jpd · 08-16-2011, 04:17 PM

BMWs are sophisticated autos. Any engine problem can be electronically diagnosed. If you had a problem you would have received an engine warning symbol. Check your owners manual.

Kamal · 08-16-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd

BMWs are sophisticated autos. Any engine problem can be electronically diagnosed. If you had a problem you would have received an engine warning symbol. Check your owners manual.

sophisticated as they may be, not every problem (engine or not) will register a code.

theBigD23 · 08-16-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd

BMWs are sophisticated autos. Any engine problem can be electronically diagnosed. If you had a problem you would have received an engine warning symbol. Check your owners manual.

Wow. First, that is not true at all. If it were true, BMW would not take the car in for service. They would just let me know service lights are not on and that I should be on my merry way. Secondly, you're drinking some BMW kool aid.

KinoBoom · 08-16-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kamal

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpd

BMWs are sophisticated autos. Any engine problem can be electronically diagnosed. If you had a problem you would have received an engine warning symbol. Check your owners manual.

sophisticated as they may be, not every problem (engine or not) will register a code.

True.

Wolf · 08-16-2011, 05:44 PM

does the rattling noise increase when you push more your throttle?

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blschaefer1 Former '07 M Coupe Owner Drives: 2012 Z4 sDrive 35i Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Diego Area Posts: 160 iTrader: (1)	I have a 2012 135i, 1700 miles, no issues whatsoever. I do notice a rattling-type noise at cold startup. My prior M coupe did something similar. Did some research and discovered it was normal and related to the VANOS variable valve timing mechanisms prior to getting fully lubricated at cold startup. I can't hear your clip, but my hunch is that this is the same and probably normal for N55 based cars. Last edited by blschaefer1; 08-14-2011 at 11:04 AM.
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shockin330i Brigadier General Drives: blue Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: f y'all, I'm from Texas (RGV) Posts: 4,187 iTrader: (1)	The noise is very normal. Its the sound of the direct injection. /thread __________________ ERnie 2011 AW/e90/n55 12.9@107.53mph *N55 Moderator* I'm crawling similar to a ant cuz I'm low to the earth
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KinoBoom Lieutenant Drives: 2009 135i Join Date: May 2011 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 437 iTrader: (0)	I really wish you titled your thread differently. Like for example: "Hearing a possible bad noise coming from the engine". Threads that start like yours give this car a bad reputation for no reason. What you are hearing is normal. And since your car is new you should not worry as it is all covered under BMW warranty. Good luck. __________________ BMW CCA # 450304
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08-14-2011, 11:00 AM	#24
e34m5 Captain Drives: 135i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 977 iTrader: (0)	The cold start issues are common to most german engines. The oil ports are very small and it takes a while before the oil heats up enough to flow readily. BMW engines in particular have a noticeable "valve chattering" sound when cold. None of what you describe sounds abnormal to me. I would only worry if these noises were still present after the engine reaches operating temp. Also remember that for these engine operating temp is around 250*deg F, which takes quite a while to reach.
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08-16-2011, 03:06 PM	#33
theBigD23 Enlisted Member Drives: Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 32 iTrader: (0)	Sorry for the late reply. The only update I have is that I put the car in for service yesterday. Once I hear back with info, I'll let everyone know.
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08-16-2011, 04:17 PM	#34
jpd Lieutenant Drives: Alpine White 135 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: USA Posts: 572 iTrader: (0)	BMWs are sophisticated autos. Any engine problem can be electronically diagnosed. If you had a problem you would have received an engine warning symbol. Check your owners manual.
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