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      10-31-2011, 09:19 PM   #23
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Helix Intercooler fits perfectly and has proven gains....
Proven gains in what? I thought it just kept the oil temps down. I can see how it could prevent a loss of power if the oil temps go too high and ecu shuts the fun down but unless you have adl software to take advantage of increased cooling capacity how will you gain?

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      10-31-2011, 09:35 PM   #24
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Proven gains in what? I thought it just kept the oil temps down. I can see how it could prevent a loss of power if the oil temps go too high and ecu shuts the fun down but unless you have adl software to take advantage of increased cooling how will you gain?
the intercooler cools the air charge entering the engine. cooler, denser air makes more power.

an oil cooler would not add horsepower.
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      10-31-2011, 10:17 PM   #25
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the intercooler cools the air charge entering the engine. cooler, denser air makes more power.

an oil cooler would not add horsepower.

Hence the I in FMIC! I get it Face meet palm. Palm good to me ya!

Great, now I want one..
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      10-31-2011, 10:54 PM   #26
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ETS will have a direct fit FMIC very soon!

We just finished all the R&D on their product.

Wait a tic...


So my 135i 5" ETS intercooler will not work in my 1M?

Or were they able to make a larger core work in the 1M without any cutting or trimming? (An ETS trademark)
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      11-01-2011, 01:09 AM   #27
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How does the HPF rate against the Wagner, Helix and ETS?
Is there really any great difference between them all?

I think thats the most appropriate question to ask here.
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      11-01-2011, 04:19 AM   #28
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You can also see more pics here in my thread when I had my car tuned...

Got my car tuned in Germany…

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=528152
besides the pics, that's a good read, recommended!
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      11-01-2011, 06:17 AM   #29
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I want to know the volume increase in size and pressure drops across these at a couple give flow rates before I make any decisions. Does anyone have that information?
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      11-01-2011, 07:34 AM   #30
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I wish ETS or HPF made an intercooler that didn't require any cutting and used the factory connectors...
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      11-01-2011, 09:18 AM   #31
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I have been also thinking about getting the Wagner IC. IF you don't mind me asking Marcel where did you buys your from and for how much? My tuner told me its about 600 euros for the part.

I attached some pics bellow...

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You can also see more pics here in my thread when I had my car tuned...

Got my car tuned in Germany…

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=528152
600 is a good price. Normally they are about 630. I bought at TVW and had it also installed there. Really nice guys and they already sold a lot of them because of their project 1M.
If you have questions, just sent me a PN.
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      11-01-2011, 10:59 AM   #32
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HPF DOES make an intercooler that uses factory couplers.

Pressure drop (byproduct of end-tank and core design) and thermal efficiency (byproduct of core/size shape, material and airflow) are what to look for in an aftermarket intercooler.

They are NOT all the same. I happen to like the HPF and AMS setups the most. CP-E actually published test data for their intercooler.
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      11-01-2011, 11:29 AM   #33
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HPF DOES make an intercooler that uses factory couplers.

Pressure drop (byproduct of end-tank and core design) and thermal efficiency (byproduct of core/size shape, material and airflow) are what to look for in an aftermarket intercooler.

They are NOT all the same. I happen to like the HPF and AMS setups the most. CP-E actually published test data for their intercooler.
I'm aware that HPF uses the factory couplers - however their unit does require substantial cutting on the 1 series for it to fit. I wish they offered a 5" unit like ETS.
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      11-01-2011, 12:02 PM   #34
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HPF DOES make an intercooler that uses factory couplers.

Pressure drop (byproduct of end-tank and core design) and thermal efficiency (byproduct of core/size shape, material and airflow) are what to look for in an aftermarket intercooler.

They are NOT all the same. I happen to like the HPF and AMS setups the most. CP-E actually published test data for their intercooler.
I'm aware that HPF uses the factory couplers - however their unit does require substantial cutting on the 1 series for it to fit. I wish they offered a 5" unit like ETS.
Wagner also uses factory couplers, one of the reasons I took it.
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      11-01-2011, 12:08 PM   #35
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600 is a good price. Normally they are about 630. I bought at TVW and had it also installed there. Really nice guys and they already sold a lot of them because of their project 1M.
If you have questions, just sent me a PN.
Danke Marcel_b,

Wow! TVW really have alot of cool stuff from the 1M.

http://www.tvw-cardesign.de/index.php?page=m1


Guys the reason why the Wagner FMIC is so nice is bc it requires so little cutting when you install it. From what I am told... you only need to trim 4mm with an exacto box cutter along the front edge of (FMIC) on the inside part of the bumper cover. Plus it uses the factory cuplers. Wagner also makes some really nice down pipes too.


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      11-01-2011, 04:49 PM   #36
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Danke Marcel_b,

Wow! TVW really have alot of cool stuff from the 1M.

http://www.tvw-cardesign.de/index.php?page=m1


Guys the reason why the Wagner FMIC is so nice is bc it requires so little cutting when you install it. From what I am told... you only need to trim 4mm with an exacto box cutter along the front edge of (FMIC) on the inside part of the bumper cover. Plus it uses the factory cuplers. Wagner also makes some really nice down pipes too.


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no cutting at all is needed with the Wagner. I looked when they installed it, fits like a glove! No cutting and using the standard couplers are a big plus for me
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      11-01-2011, 06:57 PM   #37
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Wait a tic...


So my 135i 5" ETS intercooler will not work in my 1M?

Or were they able to make a larger core work in the 1M without any cutting or trimming? (An ETS trademark)
No, not a direct fit. You will need a new discharge pipe.
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Has anyone test fitted the HPF intercooler to a 1M yet?
Or does anyone know whether it will fit?
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      11-02-2011, 01:05 AM   #39
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Has anyone test fitted the HPF intercooler to a 1M yet?
Or does anyone know whether it will fit?
If it fits the 135i, it will fit the 1M. However, do you really want to cut up the plastic core support on a car such as the 1M?
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No, not a direct fit. You will need a new discharge pipe.
Why the need for a new discharge pipe?
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If it fits the 135i, it will fit the 1M. However, do you really want to cut up the plastic core support on a car such as the 1M?
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the plastic you have to cut with the HPF intercooler not essential and not visable from the front of the car?

Do any of the other intercoolers flow more? and how does a stepped core not effect the passage of air to the radiator fan?

I genuinely am intersted in answers to these questions because there is so much mis-information out there it's hard to tell what's what, or at least I'm not sure?

Thanks in advance.
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      11-03-2011, 05:50 PM   #42
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Today was Christmas .......... for me


This are Wagner DP and Wagner Intercoller.
Thanks to Marcel at Germany!
I will see, what´s the Power is.
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Does any of these options slow down the response of the 1M? I am interested in a direct bolt-on. So, that's only the wagner and the ets?
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