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HP Autowerks · 11-30-2011, 06:18 PM

Here is the BMW Car Magazine article on HP Autowerks modified 135i vs 1M.

cooler2442 · 11-30-2011, 06:32 PM

Great article Harold!

Mattgfx · 11-30-2011, 06:42 PM

Great read, wish they compared the N54 version of the 135i though

infinitekid2002 · 11-30-2011, 06:44 PM

interesting..more direct comparisons on how the cars did in the canyons would have been nice but alas

Harlequin · 11-30-2011, 06:45 PM

Page 40 is missing... That's like 1/2 the article...

M3 Adjuster · 11-30-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

nmd..ill edit for my op

Juicebox 3 per the article text..

M3 Adjuster · 11-30-2011, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harlequin

Page 40 is missing... That's like 1/2 the article...

looks like it's being edited as we type.. p 41 just disappeared.

Harlequin · 11-30-2011, 06:50 PM

Noice.

infinitekid2002 · 11-30-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Juicebox 3 per the article text..

beat u u little vixen

vantagesc · 11-30-2011, 07:10 PM

That stuff about being able to downshift in the middle of a turn with the manual gearbox didn't make any sense to me. Even with a manual, I get all my shifting done before the turn. Same with DCT.

M3 Adjuster · 11-30-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vantagesc

That stuff about being able to downshift in the middle of a turn with the manual gearbox didn't make any sense to me. Even with a manual, I get all my shifting done before the turn. Same with DCT.

there are times when one may need to upshift during a turn..... Turn 11 at road Atlanta for example..

downshift though.. not as much.....

wkndwrrr · 11-30-2011, 07:33 PM

I mean absolutely no offence by this, but I must take issue with this article.
The provided list of parts adds to $22,835, not $18,000. Without the cosmetic iCarbon bits, the total modifications cost is $20,038 (and is labor included in the numbers given?). With the listed msrp of $40,375 (although a 2012 that I spec'd to have the same options as a 2011 1M ran $44,500), the total cost of a tuned 135i (without the cosmetic bits), is $60,413. 2011 1M optioned the same is $54,035.
Also, I don't know if all dealerships in the States are tuner friendly, but up here in Canada, most aren't. So how much gas would you have to spend to make up for that?
So if "we're comparing apples to apples, then the cost of the two cars should be a determining factor in the selection of a winner": where does risking warranty and paying $6378 more for the car, come into play?

Not flaming, just curious

(I've dumped massive amounts of money into a WRX before, for it to only marginally beat a STI at best, while having run me a lot more money than a STI, so truly, no disrepect here)

cooler2442 · 11-30-2011, 07:45 PM

Also have to remember that the LSD for the DCT is extremely expensive at that $4600 figure. If the car was 6MT it would be much much cheaper. Closer to $1500 I believe?

BMW86 · 11-30-2011, 08:02 PM

Excellent article! I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Both are great cars

M3 Adjuster · 11-30-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wkndwrrr

I mean absolutely no offence by this, but I must take issue with this article.
The provided list of parts adds to $22,835, not $18,000. Without the cosmetic iCarbon bits, the total modifications cost is $20,038 (and is labor included in the numbers given?). With the listed msrp of $40,375 (although a 2012 that I spec'd to have the same options as a 2011 1M ran $44,500), the total cost of a tuned 135i (without the cosmetic bits), is $60,413. 2011 1M optioned the same is $54,035.
Also, I don't know if all dealerships in the States are tuner friendly, but up here in Canada, most aren't. So how much gas would you have to spend to make up for that?
So if "we're comparing apples to apples, then the cost of the two cars should be a determining factor in the selection of a winner": where does risking warranty and paying $6378 more for the car, come into play?

Not flaming, just curious

(I've dumped massive amounts of money into a WRX before, for it to only marginally beat a STI at best, while having run me a lot more money than a STI, so truly, no disrepect here)

I was just starting to ask the same thing.. i didnt immediately see the $$ figures..

Anyone can spend their money to modify a non M car to a performance level equal to or above the non M car. And it performance is the only factor.. then the tuned vehicle is probably always going to win out. in reality though.. the tuned vehicle doesn't have the looks , cachet. exclusivity, or resale value of the M car.. The Wrx to STi situation is exactly the same. I am sure one can take a Mustang to Saleen or Steeda and make their own version of a Boss 302... but it simply is a tuned car.. not the original. Anyone that wanted a 1M with DCT and/or a sunroof now knows where to go though...

I have no problems conceding the " win".... because I am absolutely ecstatic knowing that I made the better purchase.

tkbr0wn · 11-30-2011, 08:17 PM

From my reading of the article, the biggest difference in the end was the "violent acceleration" and raw power. All that comes from a sub $1000 chip that will work just fine on the N54 equipped 1M and give the same HP and torque levels. Then what?

vantagesc · 11-30-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

there are times when one may need to upshift during a turn..... Turn 11 at road Atlanta for example..

downshift though.. not as much.....

Upshift agree, but I don't think DCT would cause any issues in that situation.

The author is complaining about downshifts though and that makes very little sense to me.

bdaddylo · 11-30-2011, 08:25 PM

The 'M' button description was off. Must have thought it had the same functionality as the M3.

vantagesc · 11-30-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tkbr0wn

From my reading of the article, the biggest difference in the end was the "violent acceleration" and raw power. All that comes from a sub $1000 chip that will work just fine on the N54 equipped 1M and give the same HP and torque levels. Then what?

Author spent very little time comparing the suspensions (other than the traction issue) and then at the end we find out they have similar levels of grip, but the 135i has good ride quality.

Learned very little from this article unfortunately.

bayer · 11-30-2011, 08:27 PM

Maybe the 2012 isn't as good as the 2011 car!

Two great cars and just a matter of personal preference at this point.

M3 Adjuster · 11-30-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Delrin

Maybe the 2012 isn't as good as the 2011 car!

Two great cars and just a matter of personal preference at this point.

agree on the two great cars... but I don't think it's a matter of personal preference at all but rather a matter of happenstance or circumstance.... as in.... I have a 135 and I want to make it faster....

I really doubt that anyone that had the opportunity to buy a 1M would have said.. no... forget the 1M... I'll go ahead and buy a new 135 and throw 18K in performance parts at it. I mean.. no one wants a sunroof or DCT or their favorite shade of blue that badly right?

bayer · 11-30-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

agree on the two great cars... but I don't think it's a matter of personal preference at all but rather a matter of happenstance or circumstance.... as in.... I have a 135 and I want to make it faster....

I really doubt that anyone that had the opportunity to buy a 1M would have said.. no... forget the 1M... I'll go ahead and buy a new 135 and throw 18K in performance parts at it. I mean.. no one wants a sunroof or DCT or their favorite shade of blue that badly right?

Fair point. However, it did happen! The #2 in line at my 1st dealer where I was #3 in line bailed due to no DCT.

To each his own I guess.

11-30-2011, 06:18 PM	#1
HP Autowerks Lieutenant General Drives: 2011 135i DCT & 2011 1M Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Santa Barbara, AST, Brembo, Eibach, H&R, GIAC, Koni, Quaife, Stoptech, Vorshlag, Posts: 10,052 iTrader: (26)	BMW Car Magazine article - M Grudge Match: 1M vs Tuned 135i Here is the BMW Car Magazine article on HP Autowerks modified 135i vs 1M. Attached Images Last edited by HP Autowerks; 11-30-2011 at 06:56 PM.
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11-30-2011, 06:44 PM	#4
infinitekid2002 Creepin while ya sleepin Drives: Like a Bat out of Hell Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: City of Angels Posts: 3,193 iTrader: (4) Garage List 2008 135i [3.59]	interesting..more direct comparisons on how the cars did in the canyons would have been nice but alas __________________ Last edited by infinitekid2002; 11-30-2011 at 06:54 PM.

11-30-2011, 06:45 PM	#5
Harlequin Colonel Drives: '11 BMW 135i M Sport Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Brisbane, Australia BMW Club QLD Member Posts: 2,532 iTrader: (2) Garage List 2011 BMW 135i M Sport [4.58]	Page 40 is missing... That's like 1/2 the article... __________________ AW3 135i \| BMW Performance: 313 Rims, Exhaust, Diffuser, Spoiler, Grills & Pedals \| DCT \| BMS CAI \| Eibach Pro Kit \| M3 Swaybar \| P3 Vent Gauge \| M3 Steering Wheel ///M Mirrors \| Kerscher Splitter \| LUX V3 \| Blackline LCI Tails \| Octane Tint \| Alpine Hi-Fi \| JL Audio 10W6v2 \| Pioneer Amp \| Black Roof

11-30-2011, 06:50 PM	#8
Harlequin Colonel Drives: '11 BMW 135i M Sport Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Brisbane, Australia BMW Club QLD Member Posts: 2,532 iTrader: (2) Garage List 2011 BMW 135i M Sport [4.58]	Noice. __________________ AW3 135i \| BMW Performance: 313 Rims, Exhaust, Diffuser, Spoiler, Grills & Pedals \| DCT \| BMS CAI \| Eibach Pro Kit \| M3 Swaybar \| P3 Vent Gauge \| M3 Steering Wheel ///M Mirrors \| Kerscher Splitter \| LUX V3 \| Blackline LCI Tails \| Octane Tint \| Alpine Hi-Fi \| JL Audio 10W6v2 \| Pioneer Amp \| Black Roof

11-30-2011, 07:33 PM	#12
wkndwrrr Private First Class Drives: 1M Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 182 iTrader: (0)	I mean absolutely no offence by this, but I must take issue with this article. The provided list of parts adds to $22,835, not $18,000. Without the cosmetic iCarbon bits, the total modifications cost is $20,038 (and is labor included in the numbers given?). With the listed msrp of $40,375 (although a 2012 that I spec'd to have the same options as a 2011 1M ran $44,500), the total cost of a tuned 135i (without the cosmetic bits), is $60,413. 2011 1M optioned the same is $54,035. Also, I don't know if all dealerships in the States are tuner friendly, but up here in Canada, most aren't. So how much gas would you have to spend to make up for that? So if "we're comparing apples to apples, then the cost of the two cars should be a determining factor in the selection of a winner": where does risking warranty and paying $6378 more for the car, come into play? Not flaming, just curious (I've dumped massive amounts of money into a WRX before, for it to only marginally beat a STI at best, while having run me a lot more money than a STI, so truly, no disrepect here) Last edited by wkndwrrr; 11-30-2011 at 07:39 PM. Reason: (and is labor included in the numbers given?)

11-30-2011, 06:32 PM	#2
cooler2442 Brigadier General Drives: '11 135 Sport DCT Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Valley, Los Angeles Posts: 3,178 iTrader: (5)	Great article Harold! __________________

11-30-2011, 06:42 PM	#3
Mattgfx First Lieutenant Drives: Alpine White 08 135i Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 354 iTrader: (0)	Great read, wish they compared the N54 version of the 135i though __________________ 08 135i \| Alpine White \| 6 Speed \| M Sports pkg \| \| Berger Intake \| Code 3 intercooler \| Riss 3 inch Dps \| Berk Exhaust \| Quaife 3.46 LSD \| Euro 1M/LCI Headlights \| BMS OCC \| Drag DR-37 18X8 ET 40 \| 245/35R-18 Kumho Ecsta XS \|

11-30-2011, 07:10 PM	#10
vantagesc Second Lieutenant Drives: 2011 135i DCT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: CA Posts: 202 iTrader: (0)	That stuff about being able to downshift in the middle of a turn with the manual gearbox didn't make any sense to me. Even with a manual, I get all my shifting done before the turn. Same with DCT.

11-30-2011, 07:45 PM	#13
cooler2442 Brigadier General Drives: '11 135 Sport DCT Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Valley, Los Angeles Posts: 3,178 iTrader: (5)	Also have to remember that the LSD for the DCT is extremely expensive at that $4600 figure. If the car was 6MT it would be much much cheaper. Closer to $1500 I believe? __________________

11-30-2011, 08:02 PM	#14
BMW86 Major General Drives: BMW 135i / Kawa Ninja Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 8,613 iTrader: (0)	Excellent article! I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Both are great cars __________________ BMW 135i N54 TWIN TURBO Quarter Mile 12.173@113.70mph - Street Tyres Queensland Raceway Sprint 1:01:22 - Street Tyres Queensland Raceway Clubman 1:04:74 - Street Tyres Lakeside Raceway 1:03:97 - Street Tyres

11-30-2011, 08:17 PM	#16
tkbr0wn Major Drives: 1M BSM (297 of 740) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,213 iTrader: (0)	From my reading of the article, the biggest difference in the end was the "violent acceleration" and raw power. All that comes from a sub $1000 chip that will work just fine on the N54 equipped 1M and give the same HP and torque levels. Then what? __________________ ● 135i is gone, 1M BSM #297 ●

11-30-2011, 08:25 PM	#18
bdaddylo Captain Drives: 2011 E82 1M Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 823 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2005 Acura MDX [0.00] 2011 BMW 1 Series M ... [0.00]	The 'M' button description was off. Must have thought it had the same functionality as the M3. __________________ _______________________ 2011 1 Series M Coupe/VO/Convenience Pkg/Premium Pkg/Harman Kardon/AFE Scoops/Berk Midpipes/P3 V2/BMS Catch Can/CF Rear Deck Spoiler/3M Clear Bra/3M Crystalline/Homelink/M Performance Steering Wheel

11-30-2011, 08:27 PM	#20
bayer First Lieutenant Drives: Manuals! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: USA Posts: 310 iTrader: (0)	Maybe the 2012 isn't as good as the 2011 car! Two great cars and just a matter of personal preference at this point. Attached Images

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