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mike the snake · 01-12-2012, 05:15 PM

I would like to see carbon parts that were decently priced.

I work with composites, and I know a lot of time goes into making molds, but i also know what materials cost, and the prices for parts for our cars are high for what they are.

Satalite · 01-12-2012, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike the snake

I would like to see carbon parts that were decently priced.

I work with composites, and I know a lot of time goes into making molds, but i also know what materials cost, and the prices for parts for our cars are high for what they are.

Extremely high.

BrokenVert · 01-12-2012, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike the snake

I would like to see carbon parts that were decently priced.

I work with composites, and I know a lot of time goes into making molds, but i also know what materials cost, and the prices for parts for our cars are high for what they are.

ive been saying this for years. And I also know exactly what goes into making composites

ezeedee · 01-12-2012, 05:24 PM

scopione has the best parts for a reasonable price imho. I'd love to see quality/pricing to compete with theirs. every car has their high end parts, and their reasonable parts. we seem to be lacking on the latter.

TOY1 · 01-12-2012, 06:41 PM

Splitter and rear spoiler to 135i, decently priced, aceptable quality.

crbalch · 01-13-2012, 01:13 PM

dont really care so much for the CF look, but a rear diffuser in gloss black (same as the shadowline/grille color) would be great

mike the snake · 01-17-2012, 11:42 AM

I just ordered a JBspeed rear trunk spoiler, probably the best priced rear wing available, for a little over $200.

Carbon cloth averages around $50 a yard, a lot less when you buy in bulk. Fiberglass is much less expensive.

The carbon fiber I have used ends up Much stiffer and stronger than the carbon parts I have bought for my car, so I'm suspecting a lot of carbon parts are not really made of real carbon fiber, probably dyed glass..

Even if my wing IS made of real carbon, there's about $7 of carbon used in making it (at $50 a yard). So my guess is there's less than $20 in supplies used in making a diffuser or wing.

I know there's a lot of time and energy involved in making molds because I make molds myself, but the single layer, thin parts made for cars are just SO overpriced it is just crazy.

I also know that because the number of sales per part is probably not that high, so I think that's why makers of parts jack the prices up so they can get their money back.

I guess we're lucky that people bother to make cool parts for our cars, but the prices are crazy, it's a catch-22.

hongi · 01-18-2012, 01:56 AM

Interior trim +1

pinmagic · 01-18-2012, 08:05 AM

Affordable rear spoiler for the VERT. Right now, the only option AFAIK is the OEM. Too expensive.

FlashBimmer9er · 01-18-2012, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenkirby21

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Originally Posted by Satalite

128i front spoiler

this this this. make it <200$ :P

YES

1speedbike · 05-22-2012, 12:41 PM

Hi Guys.

Update time.

My colleague and I found a factory in China that I could use for this project. Things are going good so far. Hopefully within a few weeks I can get some parts to use as prototypes.

I think first off I'm going to try and have them copy stuff that already exists versus designing completely new stuff. For example, I saw there is interest in CF sideskirts. Slek might be doing something with this, but I'd also love to give them a run for their money (no offense slek). I probably would do it in the same design as the BMW Aero/Performance sideskirts. Also, I could get a vert rear spoiler based on the OEM one for much cheaper. Could also do gloss black stuff. Also, I've personally been looking for a good lip for the Aero front bumper. I know there's not a huge market for that, but there aren't many options at all for a front lip on cars with the Aero bumper. Interior trim could be pretty easy too, and I know there's a market, so I'll try and do that at first too. Hoods and trunks I want to do, but I wouldn't be starting off with those (unless they're direct OEM replacements) because I'd have to do design stuff, and as I said, for now I'm going to focus on easier stuff to manufacture as this gets started and kind of builds momentum. If there's fair interest in the simpler stuff, I could expand into more intricate parts.

Any further input from you guys would be awesome too. Anything else you want?

I haven't forgotten about you guys, but as I said, starting something like this takes some time.

woner · 05-22-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 1speedbike

Hi Guys.

Update time.

My colleague and I found a factory in China that I could use for this project. Things are going good so far. Hopefully within a few weeks I can get some parts to use as prototypes.

I think first off I'm going to try and have them copy stuff that already exists versus designing completely new stuff. For example, I saw there is interest in CF sideskirts. Slek might be doing something with this, but I'd also love to give them a run for their money (no offense slek). I probably would do it in the same design as the BMW Aero/Performance sideskirts. Also, I could get a vert rear spoiler based on the OEM one for much cheaper. Could also do gloss black stuff. Also, I've personally been looking for a good lip for the Aero front bumper. I know there's not a huge market for that, but there aren't many options at all for a front lip on cars with the Aero bumper. Interior trim could be pretty easy too, and I know there's a market, so I'll try and do that at first too. Hoods and trunks I want to do, but I wouldn't be starting off with those (unless they're direct OEM replacements) because I'd have to do design stuff, and as I said, for now I'm going to focus on easier stuff to manufacture as this gets started and kind of builds momentum. If there's fair interest in the simpler stuff, I could expand into more intricate parts.

Any further input from you guys would be awesome too. Anything else you want?

I haven't forgotten about you guys, but as I said, starting something like this takes some time.

2010+ mirror caps. I think scopione may be working on that too but they haven't produced anything or given an eta.

1speedbike · 05-22-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by woner

2010+ mirror caps. I think scopione may be working on that too but they haven't produced anything or given an eta.

That seems pretty easy to do, actually. Gonna include this in my report/list for the factory.

So far higher preference has been given to:

CF Aero-style sideskirts
Convertible trunk spoiler
Interior Trim
2010+ Mirror caps
Roof Spoiler

That's not to say that I'm not looking at any other parts. I have already done research on lips, splitters, grilles, coupe spoilers, diffusers, etc.. And eventually I'm going to look more into hoods and trunks. But for now, those items seem to have the most demand and can "prove" that this project is worth the effort, and aren't terribly complicated to make or expensive to produce and sell, so they seem to be the best bets. Notice I added the 2010 mirror caps to that list after woner's suggestion, so more suggestions are always welcome.

ilikebmxbikes · 05-22-2012, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1speedbike

That seems pretty easy to do, actually. Gonna include this in my report/list for the factory.

So far higher preference has been given to:

CF Aero-style sideskirts
Convertible trunk spoiler
Interior Trim
2010+ Mirror caps
Roof Spoiler

That's not to say that I'm not looking at any other parts. I have already done research on lips, splitters, grilles, coupe spoilers, diffusers, etc.. And eventually I'm going to look more into hoods and trunks. But for now, those items seem to have the most demand and can "prove" that this project is worth the effort, and aren't terribly complicated to make or expensive to produce and sell, so they seem to be the best bets. Notice I added the 2010 mirror caps to that list after woner's suggestion, so more suggestions are always welcome.

thats a very good list. When you move onto newly designed parts please look into designing a more aggressive diffuser for the 135i bumper.

Mr Kleen · 05-22-2012, 04:21 PM

M3 style hood, in fiberglass. Because I'm just going to paint it anyway.

lucaa135 · 05-23-2012, 09:31 PM

m style hood, spoiler, 1m bumpers..

strati1 · 05-30-2012, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satalite

128i front spoiler

yes^^

BrokenVert · 05-30-2012, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1speedbike

That seems pretty easy to do, actually. Gonna include this in my report/list for the factory.

So far higher preference has been given to:

CF Aero-style sideskirts
Convertible trunk spoiler
Interior Trim
2010+ Mirror caps
Roof Spoiler

Youre thinking about me! Finally a voice!

Kersher not a good option for your perf bumper?

Also can we work out a diffuser in more of the Raze 1M style for the 135s? With actual ducts? I can help you on that one when I get home

litebulb · 05-30-2012, 05:09 PM

I'm game, please keep us updated and thanks for doing the leg work!

1speedbike · 05-30-2012, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Youre thinking about me! Finally a voice!

Kersher not a good option for your perf bumper?

Also can we work out a diffuser in more of the Raze 1M style for the 135s? With actual ducts? I can help you on that one when I get home

Thought the Kerscher lip only fit the regular bumper??

And sure! I am very interested in making a different style diffuser for our cars. The options I see now are either OEM style, or iCarbon style (or quad in either style). If you could help that would be awesome! I'm still working on the production aspect, but I'm not very experienced with AutoCad or anything design related. I'll facebook you my #

milehigh135i · 05-31-2012, 04:04 AM

why does everything need to be carbon fiber? Is it a BMW thing. I come from an Evo. I want a kerscher front lip that's FRP.

BrokenVert · 05-31-2012, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1speedbike

Thought the Kerscher lip only fit the regular bumper??

And sure! I am very interested in making a different style diffuser for our cars. The options I see now are either OEM style, or iCarbon style (or quad in either style). If you could help that would be awesome! I'm still working on the production aspect, but I'm not very experienced with AutoCad or anything design related. I'll facebook you my #

got your number. I suck with AutoCAD too (although I have the program)
ask if they can get away with CATIA. I have a lot experience with that.

And to my knowledge you have to punch a new hole or two, but the Kersher lip can be made to fit the perf bumper.

Quote:

Originally Posted by milehigh135i

why does everything need to be carbon fiber? Is it a BMW thing. I come from an Evo. I want a kerscher front lip that's FRP.

Honestly. No clue. Im just going to be painting over all this stuff anyway.

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01-13-2012, 01:13 PM	#50
crbalch DON Drives: 2012 AW 135i 6MT M-Sport Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 463 iTrader: (1)	dont really care so much for the CF look, but a rear diffuser in gloss black (same as the shadowline/grille color) would be great __________________ 2012 AW BMW 135i :: 6MT :: Black Leatherette :: AW Trim :: M-Sport Package LUX V3 Angel Eyes :: BMW Performance Gloss Black Grilles :: BMW Performance Pedals BMW PPK1 :: Performance Spoiler AW :: Berk Technology Street Axleback Exhaust

01-18-2012, 08:05 AM	#53
pinmagic The Only Sane One Here Drives: 135i Convertible Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,030 iTrader: (1)	Affordable rear spoiler for the VERT. Right now, the only option AFAIK is the OEM. Too expensive. __________________ 2011 135i VERT SGM/SB/MOONLIGHT - ED - with every single friggin' option they offered.

05-22-2012, 12:41 PM	#55
1speedbike Colonel Drives: 2008 BMW 135i Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ, NYC, Baltimore Posts: 2,923 iTrader: (14)	Hi Guys. Update time. My colleague and I found a factory in China that I could use for this project. Things are going good so far. Hopefully within a few weeks I can get some parts to use as prototypes. I think first off I'm going to try and have them copy stuff that already exists versus designing completely new stuff. For example, I saw there is interest in CF sideskirts. Slek might be doing something with this, but I'd also love to give them a run for their money (no offense slek). I probably would do it in the same design as the BMW Aero/Performance sideskirts. Also, I could get a vert rear spoiler based on the OEM one for much cheaper. Could also do gloss black stuff. Also, I've personally been looking for a good lip for the Aero front bumper. I know there's not a huge market for that, but there aren't many options at all for a front lip on cars with the Aero bumper. Interior trim could be pretty easy too, and I know there's a market, so I'll try and do that at first too. Hoods and trunks I want to do, but I wouldn't be starting off with those (unless they're direct OEM replacements) because I'd have to do design stuff, and as I said, for now I'm going to focus on easier stuff to manufacture as this gets started and kind of builds momentum. If there's fair interest in the simpler stuff, I could expand into more intricate parts. Any further input from you guys would be awesome too. Anything else you want? I haven't forgotten about you guys, but as I said, starting something like this takes some time. __________________ Year 1 of the 1 Last edited by 1speedbike; 05-22-2012 at 01:07 PM.

05-22-2012, 04:21 PM	#59
Mr Kleen teh porcupine Drives: 2012 135i "Nina" Join Date: May 2011 Location: Wiesbaden Posts: 1,233 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2012 BMW 135i [0.00]	M3 style hood, in fiberglass. Because I'm just going to paint it anyway. __________________ 1addicts at Stelv1o Pass

01-12-2012, 05:15 PM	#45
mike the snake First Lieutenant Drives: 135i Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Sonoma County, CA. Posts: 399 iTrader: (1)	I would like to see carbon parts that were decently priced. I work with composites, and I know a lot of time goes into making molds, but i also know what materials cost, and the prices for parts for our cars are high for what they are.

01-12-2012, 05:24 PM	#48
ezeedee NCOIC of Kickin It Drives: 08 135i "Simona" Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Great Falls MT Posts: 941 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 135i [3.50]	scopione has the best parts for a reasonable price imho. I'd love to see quality/pricing to compete with theirs. every car has their high end parts, and their reasonable parts. we seem to be lacking on the latter.

01-12-2012, 06:41 PM	#49
TOY1 New Member Drives: 135 i Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Mexico City Posts: 7 iTrader: (0)	Splitter and rear spoiler to 135i, decently priced, aceptable quality.

01-17-2012, 11:42 AM	#51
mike the snake First Lieutenant Drives: 135i Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Sonoma County, CA. Posts: 399 iTrader: (1)	I just ordered a JBspeed rear trunk spoiler, probably the best priced rear wing available, for a little over $200. Carbon cloth averages around $50 a yard, a lot less when you buy in bulk. Fiberglass is much less expensive. The carbon fiber I have used ends up Much stiffer and stronger than the carbon parts I have bought for my car, so I'm suspecting a lot of carbon parts are not really made of real carbon fiber, probably dyed glass.. Even if my wing IS made of real carbon, there's about $7 of carbon used in making it (at $50 a yard). So my guess is there's less than $20 in supplies used in making a diffuser or wing. I know there's a lot of time and energy involved in making molds because I make molds myself, but the single layer, thin parts made for cars are just SO overpriced it is just crazy. I also know that because the number of sales per part is probably not that high, so I think that's why makers of parts jack the prices up so they can get their money back. I guess we're lucky that people bother to make cool parts for our cars, but the prices are crazy, it's a catch-22.

01-18-2012, 01:56 AM	#52
hongi Private Drives: 10' 128i Alpine white Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sunnyvale , CA Posts: 70 iTrader: (3) Garage List 2010 BMW 128i [0.00]	Interior trim +1

05-23-2012, 09:31 PM	#60
lucaa135 Private Drives: 2009 135i Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: West Coast Posts: 88 iTrader: (1)	m style hood, spoiler, 1m bumpers.. __________________ Space Grey 135i: BMS DCI, JB4, AA Downpipes, Berk Full Street Exhaust.

05-30-2012, 05:09 PM	#63
litebulb Second Lieutenant Drives: '09 E88 135i M-Sport/6MT/SGM Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Vancouver Posts: 212 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2009 BMW 135i Cabri ... [0.00]	I'm game, please keep us updated and thanks for doing the leg work! __________________ Dinan S2 \| Dinan CF CAI \| OC \| FMIC \| UUC Evo3 SSK \| BMWP 313 w Stock RFT \| P3 v2.1 Gauge \| AC Schnitzer Pedals \| Interior LED retrofit

05-31-2012, 04:04 AM	#65
milehigh135i Private Drives: 2010 135i Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Denver Posts: 97 iTrader: (1)	why does everything need to be carbon fiber? Is it a BMW thing. I come from an Evo. I want a kerscher front lip that's FRP.

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