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      09-09-2014, 08:30 AM   #1
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New one, Which is better, 1M or E30 M3?

So, I posted the question, which would I love more my 1M or the M235i I have coming. As expected (from this forum) everyone was on the side of 1M. As expected.

But here's my next question. A 1989 E30 M3 that has 51,000 miles on it that I once owned is on auction on Bring A Trailer. It's currently at $27,000. It's very nice and clean but prior to me owning it, it had pretty heavy front end damage. I know the guys that fixed it and without opening the hood, you'd never know!

So, which would be more fun?

I've owned both and have my own opinion but I'll save that for later.
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      09-09-2014, 08:46 AM   #2
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I have both and they are different but equally as fun. The engineers of their eras who built them had the same soul and it shines through when you are behind the wheel of either of them. When I was in Munich for my ED I met the lead engineer for the 1M, he said their goal when they started the 1M skunk works project was to make a modern day e30 M3.
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      09-09-2014, 09:01 AM   #3
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I have both and they are different but equally as fun. The engineers of their eras who built them had the same soul and it shines through when you are behind the wheel of either of them. When I was in Munich for my ED I met the lead engineer for the 1M, he said their goal when they started the 1M skunk works project was to make a modern day e30 M3.
Ok, I get all that! I've had 3 E30 M3's and I get the "historical" aspect of both cars and the connection.

My question is, today, which is the one to have. The 1M or a E30 M3. You can buy both right this minute and the prices are getting closer.
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      09-09-2014, 09:04 AM   #4
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Both are fun rides. I prefer the 1M over the M3, but mainly because I enjoy 1ers a lot. Granted, if I didn't have an analog M coupe as a toy, I'd probably have given a longer pause in consideration of the E30 - but I'd probably still go with the e36/8.

Unlike all the hype rags that called the 1M an E30 M3 "throwback," I think they share little in common. What I do prefer on the M3 is the overall footprint, and fleet-footed steering control... Which goes hand in hand with the other aspect - fun, lightweight tossability.

That said, all things considered, I'd prolly still choose the 1. It fills a niche in my life that I don't feel would be satiated with the 4 banger.

But to further ad to the thread, a hypothetical scenario to answer -

If I had any compulsion of desire for some of the future cars on the horizon, or had no immediate need to jump into a higher priced car that's value is just over inflated by
"status points" or rarity, especially if I'd already owned my choices, I'd just wait and see what's around the corner.

I'm not really interested in owning one, but I'm sure the M2 will hold a bit of novelty, and joy, for many people. Barring that, I'd prolly jump into a used E39 M5 for a lot less money. Those cars are all too expensive for me to justify buying without some feeling of permanence of the ownership.
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oh geez....tough question. I have only driven one E30 M3 and it was several years ago-----loved it!

I grew up as a child in love with the E30 M3 so it's very hard for me to choose against it!

that being said....now I'm a man in my 30s (still! lol) in love with my 1M so it's very hard to choose against it.

Ultimately I live by the theory that I am creating my own history rather than buying into someone else's. The E30 M3 was THE car for me in 1986 but that wasn't my era. Hell I couldn't even drive then. The 1M is something that is making history currently and hence that's why I would ultimately choose it. IF I would have bought an E30 in the 80s or 90s I'd probably answer differently to this question!

I don't think driving dynamics really even has a role in this discussion because the 1M would blow the E30 away objectively in every single category. Subjectively speaking, however, things may be different.

Both are very special. the 1M is more rare. The E30 has a true racing history. Both cars have an old school, Frankenstein development history.

I'd still have the 1M.
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I have both and I have to say the feel is completely different, both are great drivers, only when I take the M3 I have to plan more time because I get a LOT more people stopping me and wanting to talk about the car, it s a real head turner compared to 1M....
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I have both and I have to say the feel is completely different, both are great drivers, only when I take the M3 I have to plan more time because I get a LOT more people stopping me and wanting to talk about the car, it s a real head turner compared to 1M....
this post is a total waste without photos!!!!
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this post is a total waste without photos!!!!
Hahahahaha! YOUR post makes me LOL! Which one haven't you seen?
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      09-09-2014, 11:12 AM   #9
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That's tough one..... maybe try an easier question like which of your children do you love more? : )

Boy...I think I respect the M3 more because it was really originally built for the purpose of racing with some accomodations for street driving. It was also ahead of it's time and won many, many races.

The 1M was more of a throwback. It's purpose was fun and thrillls. Personally, I like the 1M more because of the thrust and scariness but I respect the original M3 for it's focus. If I could, I would have both.
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      09-09-2014, 11:25 AM   #10
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Here's my position. Give me the 1M over E30 M3 anyday! Its not that I am making my own history, although I like that idea. It's more simple then that.

I like driving cars!

I am not a car show guy. I get no major pleasure from buffing and polishing my cars. I get HUGE pleasure from driving them and driving them hard.

When I had that beautiful gray M3, yes everyone wanted to talk about it, everyone except me! I'd rather drive it. And honestly, inspite of that I worried more then I liked about it getting hit or bumped.

And on top of that, in any measurable way, the 1M is "Better"!

So, when I see a E30 M3 (or any E30 except a Spec E30), I say, been there and done that! It's just not that big of a deal.

Now if I had bought one new in 1989 for what, $9,000....
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Having owned and driven every generation of the M3 (with the exception of the E90/E92 which I found too heavy, soft and lacking in torque to consider purchasing) I can say that the 1M is the finest, most capable M car I have ever owned or driven.

Please note, I didn't say the most comfortable or practical, stylish or whatever. Just the best sports car of the bunch...which is, after all, the reason most of us here buy them in the first place. At least I would hope so
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Never driven an E30 let alone an E30 M3, but I would keep that as a track only car, maybe a canyon carver. I feel that with the 1M you would never hit the limit on the street safely, while with the E30 you can do that somewhat, get a grin and have a lower risk of killing yourself to get that grin
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      09-09-2014, 12:57 PM   #13
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I feel safer taking a stock 135i to the limits of a stock e30. The E30 is a good place to start with modifying though, once you get the swing arm suspension sorted over rough bumps it's easy to control.
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this post is a total waste without photos!!!!
Hahahahaha! YOUR post makes me LOL! Which one haven't you seen?
I've seen them all but I want to see more of them together! like Artemis just posted
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      09-09-2014, 04:24 PM   #16
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Wow, something needs to be painted! Colors Clash!


Kidding, very nice picture!

I don't think I owned any E30 M3's while I own 1M, so no side by side pics!
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Here's my position. Give me the 1M over E30 M3 anyday! Its not that I am making my own history, although I like that idea. It's more simple then that.

I like driving cars!

I am not a car show guy. I get no major pleasure from buffing and polishing my cars. I get HUGE pleasure from driving them and driving them hard.

When I had that beautiful gray M3, yes everyone wanted to talk about it, everyone except me! I'd rather drive it. And honestly, inspite of that I worried more then I liked about it getting hit or bumped.

And on top of that, in any measurable way, the 1M is "Better"!

So, when I see a E30 M3 (or any E30 except a Spec E30), I say, been there and done that! It's just not that big of a deal.

Now if I had bought one new in 1989 for what, $9,000....
I owned two E30M3 over a 17 year period. I watched the E36, E46, and E90 come and go. I was at the point of dropping an S54 into my E30 M3 because I wanted as much or more power and more reliability than the 2.5L motors I had built.

I am not in the market for an f8x.

I love the my 1M. It's far more capable than the e30 m3 as a street car and * almost * as fun as a track car. The performance of the 1M is far superior however the driving dynamics are not as good as the E30 M3 was much more tossable and INCREDIBLY forgiving at the limit. The 1M is far more of a challenge to drive hard whereas driving the E30M3 hard is amazingly fun!

I absolutely loved my e30 m3 but the 1m has been a fabulous change. Even though my 1M sees weekend and track duty, and is not really utilized as a Daily driver , If I had it to do again I would make the same change.

I'm mildly considering the M2. If an M2 gran coupe were made I would really be interested.
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The 1M was more of a throwback. It's purpose was fun and thrillls. Personally, I like the 1M more because of the thrust and scariness but I respect the original M3 for it's focus. If I could, I would have both.
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My friend owns the white E30M3, I own the 1M...we traded cars for the evening and later I let him drive mine on little Talledaga Gran Prix track....

He loves the 1M so much he is in the market for one....I had great fun with his E30 (47K miles) but prefer my 1M (20K)....right now it's my DD and it's just so much damn fun. I've owned 20+ cars in my life and this is the first one that leaves a shit-eating grin on my face every time I park it.

To each his/her own but I prefer the 1M
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I need to get some good shots of them together but here are iphone pics:

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