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xjet04 · 02-03-2012, 07:09 PM

Update:

Just got back from an awesome visit with BMW in The Woodlands. I told them exactly what I wanted, offered them $500 over invoice, and it was a done deal. Most pain-free car buying experience I've ever had. Wish I would've gone there a few weeks ago.

Now comes the long painful wait for the build and trip across the pond.

MPowerF1 · 02-03-2012, 07:13 PM

Awesome! What build did you select?

xjet04 · 02-03-2012, 08:00 PM

As much as it pained me to decide to forego the power of my Dinan tuned 135i, I went for a 128i. Figured I'd get what will probably be the last naturally aspirated engine BMW makes. As much as I love that power and torque, I rarely have occasion to make good use of it. The build is:

Manual transmission

Alpine White
Convenience Package
Premium Package 2
Oyster Leather
Anthracite Trim
M Sport Package
Nav
Harmon Kardon
Cold weather package

I guess that's pretty much loaded. I actually wanted the gray poplar trim, but they are not currently able to order it due to some supply shortage. Gonna try to get it switched in a week or two if it is possible.

This wait is going to kill me.

Jdawg3576 · 02-04-2012, 12:25 PM

Congratulations! Sounds like a nice one. I feel your pain on the wait, mine went into production yesterday.

xjet04 · 02-04-2012, 01:00 PM

Thanks. I guess it's all relative. From my perspective you are the lucky one. You'll be getting your new ride before I do. I bought my current 135i off a local lot because I didn't want to go through the wait. The E90 I had before that was also an order which came with the traditional eight-week wait. Agonizing.

JoeMize · 02-04-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bdoooh

TrueCar.com I used it and got even more off.. $400 above invoice.

While you're at it check Kelly Blue Book
http://www.kbb.com/bmw/1-series/2012-bmw-1-series/

nickd23 · 02-09-2012, 09:00 PM

500 over is a great deal.the age old saying you get what you pay for is super important in the ordering process. When you "grind" the dealer down to nothing the sales consultant no longer has much interest in the deal and will be less likely to follow up with you throught your odering process. the ordering process is painstaking in its self and good communication is very important. good luck and enjoy

ejm3 · 02-10-2012, 08:35 AM

Luckily you can follow the process yourself using the 800 number!

Dave_ph · 03-01-2012, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdputnam

CostCo has a car buying service. When I ordered in December the pre-negotiated price was 3% over dealer invoice, plus you got $500 back from CostCo.

Were there any additional "Dealer Fees"?

ejm3 · 03-01-2012, 07:46 PM

Like my favorite "Training Fee" so I can pay to train my salesperson to sell me a car.

m_thompson · 03-02-2012, 08:17 AM

I didn't have to pay the training fee.

xjet04 · 03-02-2012, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ejm3

Luckily you can follow the process yourself using the 800 number!

I haven't used the 800 number, but have been following along on the BMW website. And as luck would have it just today my status changed to production completed and awaiting shipment. Does the 800 number still help to track once the car is sitting there waiting for a ship to cross the pond? Come to think about it I don't even know where to find the 800 number. I've heard lots about it though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_ph

Were there any additional "Dealer Fees"?

That is a good question. I didn't know that even exists. It has never been a factor when buying my last two Bimmers. Is this something new that BMW has recently started to do?

MPowerF1 · 03-02-2012, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjet04

I haven't used the 800 number, but have been following along on the BMW website. And as luck would have it just today my status changed to production completed and awaiting shipment. Does the 800 number still help to track once the car is sitting there waiting for a ship to cross the pond? Come to think about it I don't even know where to find the 800 number. I've heard lots about it though.

1-800-831-1117. Hit 2 for Vehicle Production Status.

Scary that I've memorized it... lol. You're not going to find super detailed information but I find that it updates faster than the website and provides a little more insight. Once your car gets on a boat, call your CA and he'll let you know what boat you're on. From there, you'll be tracking using other ship tracking sites.

Dave_ph · 03-02-2012, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjet04

DEALER FEES

That is a good question. I didn't know that even exists. It has never been a factor when buying my last two Bimmers. Is this something new that BMW has recently started to do?

I didn't find out about it until after I arrived at a deal on the price.That's when they drag it out. The lowest for any BMW dealer in the Tampa Bay area is $499 and I've hear it go up to $799.

So, you think you've got a price from car buying service like I did. Not so fast. Here, have another $600.

ejm3 · 03-02-2012, 04:55 PM

The Training Fee really isn't supposed to be charged to the end customer. Its not on the sticker or invoice. But based on threads here some people pay it and some don't. I think it you nickel and dime then like I did they charge it to you. If you negotiate off sticker then they don't. Its only like $279 though.

Just get your VIN from your CA. Then call the 800 number every day (twice a day if you're an idiot like me) and wait for status to change to "in transit". The webiste is anywhere from 1 to several days behind the 800 number for status changes.

Once you have the VIN and your car is "in transit" then go here http://www.2wglobal.com/www/WEP/index.jsp and under "Track & Trace" click "All Users".

Then input your VIN under Cargo ID and it will tell you what ship you're on and when its scheduled to arrive at various ports.

Once you know the ship's name you can track its progress over the ocean.

xjet04 · 03-02-2012, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPowerF1

1-800-831-1117. Hit 2 for Vehicle Production Status.

Scary that I've memorized it... lol. You're not going to find super detailed information but I find that it updates faster than the website and provides a little more insight. Once your car gets on a boat, call your CA and he'll let you know what boat you're on. From there, you'll be tracking using other ship tracking sites.

Great! Thanks for the info. I'm assuming that is an automated number? I can't imagine how sick those people would be of all of us nuts calling them 24/7.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_ph

I didn't find out about it until after I arrived at a deal on the price.That's when they drag it out. The lowest for any BMW dealer in the Tampa Bay area is $499 and I've hear it go up to $799.

So, you think you've got a price from car buying service like I did. Not so fast. Here, have another $600.

Well that wasn't at all included in the price we agreed on. I'm going to be relatively pissed if they try sneaking that in after we agreed on a price. Sounds kind of a like a bad way to do business. Hopefully I don't have anything to worry about.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ejm3

The Training Fee really isn't supposed to be charged to the end customer. Its not on the sticker or invoice. But based on threads here some people pay it and some don't. I think it you nickel and dime then like I did they charge it to you. If you negotiate off sticker then they don't. Its only like $279 though.

Just get your VIN from your CA. Then call the 800 number every day (twice a day if you're an idiot like me) and wait for status to change to "in transit". The webiste is anywhere from 1 to several days behind the 800 number for status changes.

Once you have the VIN and your car is "in transit" then go here http://www.2wglobal.com/www/WEP/index.jsp and under "Track & Trace" click "All Users".

Then input your VIN under Cargo ID and it will tell you what ship you're on and when its scheduled to arrive at various ports.

Once you know the ship's name you can track its progress over the ocean.

Thank you. That is all good information. Personally, as I think I mentioned previously, my deal could not have had less nickel and dimming. Walked in, said I wanted to order a new car for $500 over invoice, and they said no problem. It was beautiful.

I had just posted in my other thread that I was looking for some help for tracking while on a ship. You guys have done well. Thank you once again.

mdputnam · 03-02-2012, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_ph

Were there any additional "Dealer Fees"?

Just the delivery fee, no "training fee". But the Costco rebate was only for December.

terrapen73 · 03-03-2012, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjet04

Great! Thanks for the info. I'm assuming that is an automated number? I can't imagine how sick those people would be of all of us nuts calling them 24/7.

It is automated, but you have the option to talk with a live operator. They have the most up to date data on your vehicle. Very friendly to talk to and do not seem to mind the calls from people wondering about their new cars all day, lol. I would talk with them at least once to get the most recent data available. You can decide from there if you need to talk with them more.

xjet04 · 03-03-2012, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrapen73

It is automated, but you have the option to talk with a live operator. They have the most up to date data on your vehicle. Very friendly to talk to and do not seem to mind the calls from people wondering about their new cars all day, lol. I would talk with them at least once to get the most recent data available. You can decide from there if you need to talk with them more.

Indeed it is (found out for myself after calling it yesterday). And it does seem to have more accurate info. It says my car is still waiting for a train ride up to the port, and not actually at port like the website made it sound. Damn the luck.

AKBimmerxi · 03-27-2012, 04:43 PM

Not sure if its standard practice but I just ordered a 128i M sport and paid 2k below MSRP. Not sure its because I'm a repeat customer with this salesman or the fact that all the dealer has to do is process paperwork. I also am going to do the Performance Center delivery as its only 5hrs away. Now for June to get here

terrapen73 · 03-28-2012, 11:05 PM

I just got back from my Performance Center delivery and it was easily one of the most fun times I have had in a long while. You will have a ball. Congrats on the order and enjoy yourself.

xjet04 · 03-29-2012, 08:51 PM

Thanks. Just got home from picking her up and she is beautiful. I'll probably miss the power of my Dinan 135 for a while, but I'll get over it.

02-03-2012, 07:09 PM	#23
xjet04 Private First Class Drives: BMW 2012 128i Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 194 iTrader: (2)	Finally Update: Just got back from an awesome visit with BMW in The Woodlands. I told them exactly what I wanted, offered them $500 over invoice, and it was a done deal. Most pain-free car buying experience I've ever had. Wish I would've gone there a few weeks ago. Now comes the long painful wait for the build and trip across the pond. __________________ Current - AW 2012 Loaded 128i 6MT, Oyster Leather, Anthracite Trim. 2009 JB 135i 6MT, Dinan S2 - Sold 2006 AW 325i MT - Sold

02-03-2012, 08:00 PM	#25
xjet04 Private First Class Drives: BMW 2012 128i Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 194 iTrader: (2)	As much as it pained me to decide to forego the power of my Dinan tuned 135i, I went for a 128i. Figured I'd get what will probably be the last naturally aspirated engine BMW makes. As much as I love that power and torque, I rarely have occasion to make good use of it. The build is: Manual transmission Alpine White Convenience Package Premium Package 2 Oyster Leather Anthracite Trim M Sport Package Nav Harmon Kardon Cold weather package I guess that's pretty much loaded. I actually wanted the gray poplar trim, but they are not currently able to order it due to some supply shortage. Gonna try to get it switched in a week or two if it is possible. This wait is going to kill me. __________________ Current - AW 2012 Loaded 128i 6MT, Oyster Leather, Anthracite Trim. 2009 JB 135i 6MT, Dinan S2 - Sold 2006 AW 325i MT - Sold Last edited by xjet04; 02-04-2012 at 02:04 PM. Reason: Updated options

02-04-2012, 01:00 PM	#27
xjet04 Private First Class Drives: BMW 2012 128i Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 194 iTrader: (2)	Thanks. I guess it's all relative. From my perspective you are the lucky one. You'll be getting your new ride before I do. I bought my current 135i off a local lot because I didn't want to go through the wait. The E90 I had before that was also an order which came with the traditional eight-week wait. Agonizing. __________________ Current - AW 2012 Loaded 128i 6MT, Oyster Leather, Anthracite Trim. 2009 JB 135i 6MT, Dinan S2 - Sold 2006 AW 325i MT - Sold

03-02-2012, 08:17 AM	#33
m_thompson Major Drives: M-Sport 128i, 328xi, 3.0CS Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New England, USA Posts: 1,014 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 128i [0.00] 1972 3.0CS [5.00]	I didn't have to pay the training fee. __________________ '09 128i - Black Sapphire Metallic\Coral Red\Glacier Silver\N51 DISA\6MT\Navigation\Premium\M-Sport\Heated seats\Xenon Headlights\iPod\Smartphone\Euro Delivery

03-29-2012, 08:51 PM	#44
xjet04 Private First Class Drives: BMW 2012 128i Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 194 iTrader: (2)	Thanks. Just got home from picking her up and she is beautiful. I'll probably miss the power of my Dinan 135 for a while, but I'll get over it. __________________ Current - AW 2012 Loaded 128i 6MT, Oyster Leather, Anthracite Trim. 2009 JB 135i 6MT, Dinan S2 - Sold 2006 AW 325i MT - Sold

02-03-2012, 07:13 PM	#24
MPowerF1 Private First Class Drives: 2012 BMW 135i DCT Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bay Area Posts: 126 iTrader: (0)	Awesome! What build did you select?

02-04-2012, 12:25 PM	#26
Jdawg3576 Enlisted Member Drives: 2012 128i M sport 'vert Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Gulf of Mexico Posts: 40 iTrader: (0)	Congratulations! Sounds like a nice one. I feel your pain on the wait, mine went into production yesterday.

02-09-2012, 09:00 PM	#29
nickd23 New Member Drives: 135i Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: rochester ny Posts: 19 iTrader: (0)	500 over is a great deal.the age old saying you get what you pay for is super important in the ordering process. When you "grind" the dealer down to nothing the sales consultant no longer has much interest in the deal and will be less likely to follow up with you throught your odering process. the ordering process is painstaking in its self and good communication is very important. good luck and enjoy

02-10-2012, 08:35 AM	#30
ejm3 Lieutenant Drives: 135 Convertible 6MT Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Connecticut Posts: 475 iTrader: (0)	Luckily you can follow the process yourself using the 800 number!

03-01-2012, 07:46 PM	#32
ejm3 Lieutenant Drives: 135 Convertible 6MT Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Connecticut Posts: 475 iTrader: (0)	Like my favorite "Training Fee" so I can pay to train my salesperson to sell me a car.

03-02-2012, 04:55 PM	#37
ejm3 Lieutenant Drives: 135 Convertible 6MT Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Connecticut Posts: 475 iTrader: (0)	The Training Fee really isn't supposed to be charged to the end customer. Its not on the sticker or invoice. But based on threads here some people pay it and some don't. I think it you nickel and dime then like I did they charge it to you. If you negotiate off sticker then they don't. Its only like $279 though. Just get your VIN from your CA. Then call the 800 number every day (twice a day if you're an idiot like me) and wait for status to change to "in transit". The webiste is anywhere from 1 to several days behind the 800 number for status changes. Once you have the VIN and your car is "in transit" then go here http://www.2wglobal.com/www/WEP/index.jsp and under "Track & Trace" click "All Users". Then input your VIN under Cargo ID and it will tell you what ship you're on and when its scheduled to arrive at various ports. Once you know the ship's name you can track its progress over the ocean.

03-27-2012, 04:43 PM	#42
AKBimmerxi Enlisted Member Drives: 2012 128i M-sport/318iC/325xi Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 38 iTrader: (0)	Not sure if its standard practice but I just ordered a 128i M sport and paid 2k below MSRP. Not sure its because I'm a repeat customer with this salesman or the fact that all the dealer has to do is process paperwork. I also am going to do the Performance Center delivery as its only 5hrs away. Now for June to get here

03-28-2012, 11:05 PM	#43
terrapen73 Private First Class Drives: 2012 135i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Greenville,North Carolina Posts: 171 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2012 BMW 135i [0.00]	I just got back from my Performance Center delivery and it was easily one of the most fun times I have had in a long while. You will have a ball. Congrats on the order and enjoy yourself.

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