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      03-23-2012, 01:06 PM   #1
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Why are there so many replica wheels and meh fitments?

Looking for wheels for the 1 series i just bought so I came to here first, and I have to ask. I had a mazda rx8, 3 sets of wheels, cheapest set of wheels only no tires on it were 2200 Volks. Rx7 after that had 3500 compomotive wheels on it. And now I'm coming from the miata racing community, and even on a 3000-8000 dollar miata people are easily willing to drop 2grand on wheels. Why do 80% of you buy replica BBS wheels that are cheap and put them on a nice beamer? Is it something I don't understand yet because I just bought my car?

Not trying to piss anyone off I just always seemingly thought of bmw owners as well off, and if I was well off I'd want nice wheels too.

Then that brings me to my fitment issue, if this is the most extreme fitment out there that you guys are willing to do, I don't get it. I'm going to shoot for 19x8.5 with a 30ish offset or a 19x9 with 40~ offset and 19x10 rear with 40~ offset and roll my fenders and pull if needed to get some fat tires in the rear. How come no one else is willing to do this? Or am I just not finding the people that have done it in my searches?
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      03-23-2012, 01:09 PM   #2
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after posting this, i saw the 08 aftermarket wheel and tire thread and a lot of those guys have nice wheels....just not for the past 3 years??
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      03-23-2012, 01:48 PM   #3
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your gonna rub...pulling the fenders too much looks like crap IMO, and you can only go so far... You can buy Apex or other high offset rims and put larger tires on them and you may be OK..but the offsets you are looking for is looking for trouble. IMO get yourself a nice set of Ray's or Advan's...I had Advan's on my Mazda and loved them.

As far as why most of us use cheap replicas....for me i did not want to spenf 4-5 grand on a wheel and tire package ....kids in college....but most likely for most it is a monetary decision....

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      03-23-2012, 01:51 PM   #4
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Basically our market is to small to have alot of good rims come out for it. The rims that are out and high end are in crappy fitments such as et30-40. I have no desire to run et30-40 when all I can barely fit are 225's in the front and 255's in the rear with fender work being required.

Then when they consider making rims in our offsets of 45-60 they realize that they won't look good because you can't provide a nice lip or concavity with such high offsets. Thus a cycle basically starts of us having crappy rims and not alot of choices unless your willing to custom order CCW's or some such for 3k+ and even then to get them at a decent offset without problems will make them look not as good as other cars.
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      03-23-2012, 01:59 PM   #5
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Thanks for explaining it a bit. Now I understand more.
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after posting this, i saw the 08 aftermarket wheel and tire thread and a lot of those guys have nice wheels....just not for the past 3 years??
over the past few years, the 16-year-olds who got their cars new have matured into discerning 19-year-olds who now think ill-fitting wheels are stupid.
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      03-23-2012, 03:40 PM   #7
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you're right cause this recent post of new wheels looks so much better than the old dudes that were dropping 2k-4k all day on wheels.


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The car can still look good without dropping a mortgage payment on rims. My old rims which I'm contemplating on putting back on:


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I like those wheels.
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The car can still look good without dropping a mortgage payment on rims. My old rims which I'm contemplating on putting back on:


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      03-24-2012, 06:52 PM   #11
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1) As cooler said, the 1 series has weird wheel wells with very high stock offset. What fits on other cars doesn't fit well on ours, and what fits on ours doesn't fit well on other, so there's little incentive for companies to cater to us with very expensive wheels.

2) Wheels don't need to be 2-3 grand to be nice. Breyton, VMR, Alufelgen, Forgestar all make wheels like CSL reps in the $1200-1500 range and they are great quality, do not crack, are relatively lightweight (18 pounds for 18" x 8.5" Breytons), and actually fit right. They're all CSL reps because actual CSL wheels can't fit on our cars, so we can only run a variety of great quality replicas.


3) The wheels OP linked above are 99 dollar winter rims, and should not be used to judge the quality of other aftermarket wheels

4) If you wanna spend a lot of money, there are still a few options like HRE, BBS, Forgeline.

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I don't think its about necessarily being well off or anything.
Those cars that you listed are more popular then a 1 series. They have more options and better fitment.

Also, a lot of those cars are also track cars, where lightweight strong rims are very important. IMO, if I had a cheaper car, I could spend a lot more $$ on mods. For example, my limit of car is $40k. That was just enough for my car and some more. Ya, I could get a 20k car and get $5000 rims, but I would rather have a 39k car and get 1k rims.

Also, IMO, some of the rims are wayyy overpriced. The HRE for example. They are heavier then stock and are about 4k. Why would I want to downgrade. Sure, they look nice, but to me they just show you have money to blow off.

OZ ultraleggeras are an example of some nice rims. They weight ~17 lbs each and are only $1,200.

Personally, for me, it is a money issue. As a college student, I can think of a lot more things I would rather get with the 2k I save if I get 1k rims vs 3k rims. Also, most of the "replicas" pass all the safety test and weigh less then stock, which is all that matters to me(well aside from looks lol)
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      03-25-2012, 02:36 PM   #13
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If I spent 3 to 8K for my car then I could get 30K rims! A lot of people spend $$ on rims for little more then to impress others. Honestly these lower end reps provide plenty of performance.
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What wheels are those
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What wheels are those
Looks like VMR 713, 19"

They look great, and VMR wheels don't break the bank
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Looks like VMR 713, 19"

They look great, and VMR wheels don't break the bank
Indeed, they are 713 19"....i may be the only one though with Gunmetal 713's..Had them powdercoated as silver did not cut it for me. As mentioned most of the replica wheels are pretty good...no not as good as Ray's or BBS or other higher end wheels but regardless..... the sidewall is so short on these 30/35/40 series tires that no matter what rim you have on there OEM as well if you hit a pot hole they all bend or crack or put bubbles on your tires sidewall.. so...with such BAD roads in NJ it's almost a waste of money to buy good rims without tire/rim insurance... what is a 1M or M3 rim cost if it breaks??? at least replicas will not break the bank when a repair or new rim is needed from road hazards...and every day i drive the 1 there are road hazards all the friggin time....it sucks but ya deal.
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I just VMR wheels website, the price isnt listed, I guess I have to call them . They are 19x 8.5
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I just VMR wheels website, the price isnt listed, I guess I have to call them . They are 19x 8.5

They are about $1000. for the set..If you want them powdercoated add another $300....Talk to Kevin over at VMR he is a nice dude and had provided good customer service and has been there on the phone when i needed him.
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I thought you could get Gunmetal in those, isn't that what you have, thats a very nice color combo on your car
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Looking for wheels for the 1 series i just bought so I came to here first, and I have to ask. I had a mazda rx8, 3 sets of wheels, cheapest set of wheels only no tires on it were 2200 Volks. Rx7 after that had 3500 compomotive wheels on it. And now I'm coming from the miata racing community, and even on a 3000-8000 dollar miata people are easily willing to drop 2grand on wheels. Why do 80% of you buy replica BBS wheels that are cheap and put them on a nice beamer? Is it something I don't understand yet because I just bought my car?
Getting back to your first question. I own a twin turbo RX7, Miata, and a 135i. I've also noticed quite a difference in "cultures" between all the Forums and Clubs. As far as the alloy wheels go, my guess is that the main difference is what the manufactures offer as stock. Mazda equips the RX7, RX8, and Miatas with high pressure cast alloy wheels which are similar in strength and weight to forged wheels. Anyone proposing to use heaver than stock wheels in the Mazda groups (club or forums) will get an education on unsprung weight and degrading their handling. Since BMW uses heaver low pressure cast alloy wheels replacing them with similar heavy alloys will not degrade the stock handling, so not so much emphasis over here on light weight forged alloys. The other observation is that at least for the RX7 and Miata guys, a much higher percentage participate in track events than the RX8 and BMW folks. Just another observation since Mazda equips all their rwd cars with Torsen LSDs you won't find anyone saying that they're only needed for the track.
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      03-26-2012, 01:07 PM   #21
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great insight mdputnam.

i think im saving up 4grand and then ordering these volk g25's that just came out in january. look great, weigh 19lbs at 19x9.5 and come in 1 fitment.




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      03-26-2012, 06:59 PM   #22
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Very Nice !!^^^^^^^^^^Great choice. The price is high but so is the quality and re-sale value...but as good as they are they will still bend on a bad pothole...keep an eye out
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