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      07-20-2012, 12:57 AM   #155
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True, but remember the E82 (and E88) didn't actually arrive on the scene until 2007. So, 2014 is actually right inline with the usual 7 year BMW model cycle.

Previously there had been some suggestion that the F22 might cut that short, and that BMW would move its release closer to that of the product that debuted the platform, much like how it is done with the 3/4 and 5/6. I.e., it would debut next early year, just prior to the F32, similar to the way the F20 debuted just prior to the F30. However, the lack of any F22 mules to speak of had already cast a lot of doubt on this happening. And the release of this new 135is model just makes it even more unlikely.
F22 no doubt will have loads of Euro exposure before allocation comes to US & Canada! Just like the X1 and outgoing E83 X3 - It was well past its due date and NA kept getting these old models that Europe was done with!!

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Sadly true to an extent - the model line up here is very constrained When I left BMW UK in 2009 there was over 2.25 million combinations for the E90 alone with all the spec options, engines (9 options) and colours.....

What I'd give to have my old E91 M Sport Diesel back and a real E46 M3 CSL sat in the garage!
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"In addition to its duties as a safety system, the DSC system on the 135is is programmed specifically to enhance performance-oriented driving." - not the case on the stock 135i where it's a f$#$king pain in the ass and must be deactivated each and every time I start my engine. And on the track if one forgets it intervenes so often that it will overcook brakes - DSC system freaks out and wants to visit mummy (whom resides at the dealers). It's a cock-up, I want DTC activated by default.
If they altered the DSC settings for the iS, then that will be a great improvement for performance driving that still includes some protection.

The new F30 335i in sport+ mode includes a very nice DSC/DTC setting that really lets you play and hang the rear out farther than with the 135i in DTC mode. In the 335i I set it to sport+ and the rear end if very lively.
At the apex I gave a nice wallop of throttle and the rear slid out sweetly, I stayed on power, the DSC reeled it back in much more smoothly compared to my 135i in DTC mode.
In my 135i, in DTC, the rear slides out, but when the DSC kicks in it's much more aggressive as it "snaps" the rear back into place.
In the F30 335i, the motion is much smoother and more graceful.
The feeling is so much nicer and begs you to do it again.

It that programming in in the 135iS it'll be really sweet.

I don't get BMW with their interior options lately.
The 135iS gets blue highlight stitching if you get black leather. Ok.
But, what if you get a red exterior color? The blue stitching will match nothing, and frankly will look odd and out of place.

I LOVE those new wheels!
I wish I could get those for my ordered 335i Msport.
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I understand why BMW would want to make a special "end of run" 1 series. It's a way to excite a potential customer to buy now, even if they know a whole new model is coming. So, by adding in some cool cosmetics and performance items, it makes it appealing.

But, I also agree the pricing is wrong. It's too much for this enticement.
If I know there is a new model 2 series coming, and I have a choice of the iS or the new model, then I have to decide to wait or buy now.
To get me to buy now the 135iS has to have greater value, meaning, lower cost.

Consider that the new 2 will likely have a better sorted suspension, new styling, nicer interior, perhaps the powerful N20 engine, etc...
A new model usually means better all around.
To make the last of the 1 series worth not waiting for the new model, the cost has to make sense. The "M sport" package should have an added "+ iS" option for something like $1000, and that's it.
Or, make the M sport pkg standard, and the "iS" option $2000.
It's a much greater enticement for a standard 135i or 135iS.
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      07-25-2012, 02:02 PM   #160
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Just spoke to my CA... I could lease one of these for $30/mo less than I'm paying right now (equally equipped). The only issue is that I'd be turning in a sweet N54 for the N55 with PPK and nice wheels. I could swap over the sway bar and exhaust but the Cobb would be temporarily useless. Anyone else mulling this over? I honestly can't find another car I like this much that is currently available within this price range. Suggestions welcome...
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Just spoke to my CA... I could lease one of these for $30/mo less than I'm paying right now (equally equipped). The only issue is that I'd be turning in a sweet N54 for the N55 with PPK and nice wheels. I could swap over the sway bar and exhaust but the Cobb would be temporarily useless. Anyone else mulling this over? I honestly can't find another car I like this much that is currently available within this price range. Suggestions welcome...
Do you prefer the N54 over an N55 with PPK? Just curious as to why. Always seeking to expand my edification.
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      07-30-2012, 06:33 AM   #162
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I'm not sure what I prefer as I've never driven an N55 powered car but I do know that my N54 currently has significantly more power than a PPK N55. At this point, it's more of the financial aspect that will sway my decision. We're probably going to be starting a family in the next 1-2yrs so I may need to get something different before the lease term is up and that's not an easy proposition. At this point, I'll either buy my car out for $28ish or turn it in and get a 2007-08 S4 Avant, which I've lusted after for years.
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No N54, No Thank you. I rather go with 335is.
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Well honestly it depends on why you'd want the car. I was considering purchasing the 135i with the M sport package, Premium 2 package, comfort access, performance exhaust, and the performance upgrade. I got that and more for the same price. I got the first one in the Houston Area and in Carbon Black with a manual transmission.

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Well honestly it depends on why you'd want the car. I was considering purchasing the 135i with the M sport package, Premium 2 package, comfort access, performance exhaust, and the performance upgrade. I got that and more for the same price. I got the first one in the Houston Area and in Carbon Black with a manual transmission.

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What is the badge on the passenger's side?
It is an "135is" placard.
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It is an "135is" placard.
Was on mobile so I didn't see it was an IS model. Nice
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      08-27-2012, 11:47 PM   #168
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Actually it isn't the same tune as the M135 because the M135 get's 332lb-ft torque and this gets 317lb-ft torque, this proves the engine of the M135 has been tune a little bit further that the PPK 2, but im pretty sure that this car with DCT will be faster to 60mph than both the M135 and 1M Coupe. Just talking in acceleration figures because in a track things will continue to be different leaving the 1M Coupe the advantage (at least until we know some M135 track times, but the 1M Coupe should continue to run faster around a track)
You may want to notice also that, the BMW ppk stg 1 or 2 available to order on the 2011/12 135 makes the same 320hp but if you have a manual trans, it makes 332 lb-ft tq & the same 317 lb-ft in the DCT.... If u want a 60lb lighter car with another 15 tq, order a stick... Today's BMW are computer controlled machines, not "ultimate driving machines" like from 2004 and older. These new bmw's are not half as fun as the older models. Too many nannys stepping in to keep the mostly uninformed non-drivers that buy today's bmws, safe... No N54 in the "is" due to reliability issues.
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If they altered the DSC settings for the iS, then that will be a great improvement for performance driving that still includes some protection.

The new F30 335i in sport+ mode includes a very nice DSC/DTC setting that really lets you play and hang the rear out farther than with the 135i in DTC mode. In the 335i I set it to sport+ and the rear end if very lively.
At the apex I gave a nice wallop of throttle and the rear slid out sweetly, I stayed on power, the DSC reeled it back in much more smoothly compared to my 135i in DTC mode.
In my 135i, in DTC, the rear slides out, but when the DSC kicks in it's much more aggressive as it "snaps" the rear back into place.
In the F30 335i, the motion is much smoother and more graceful.
The feeling is so much nicer and begs you to do it again.

It that programming in in the 135iS it'll be really sweet.

I don't get BMW with their interior options lately.
The 135iS gets blue highlight stitching if you get black leather. Ok.
But, what if you get a red exterior color? The blue stitching will match nothing, and frankly will look odd and out of place.

I LOVE those new wheels!
I wish I could get those for my ordered 335i Msport.
These wheels are available/options on your car..... They're stock on the 335is too.
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335is is a N54....
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In testing, the N55 has a much more linear powerband then the N54. The N54 is like a supercharger, making great low and mid range power but falling flat after 5500rpm... The N55 just keeps on going and going, good pwr till 300-400rpm under redline... Also, the 135 N54 and N55 have been raced by BMW in private and each time, the N55 would pull ahead by half a car at 70mph and by 100 1.5 cars, and to 140, the N55 had a commanding 3.5 car length lead... That's that linear powerband and top end steam the N54 lacked.

FYI: 1 car length is rear bumper of lead car even with front bumper of competing car...

There are good turbo upgrade options for the N55 too. Not to mention single turbo conversions making 500-700hp in N54 cars for $7000-8500. I've owned both N54 & 55 and would take a N55 car in a heart beat....
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In testing, the N55 has a much more linear powerband then the N54. The N54 is like a supercharger, making great low and mid range power but falling flat after 5500rpm... The N55 just keeps on going and going, good pwr till 300-400rpm under redline... Also, the 135 N54 and N55 have been raced by BMW in private and each time, the N55 would pull ahead by half a car at 70mph and by 100 1.5 cars, and to 140, the N55 had a commanding 3.5 car length lead... That's that linear powerband and top end steam the N54 lacked.

FYI: 1 car length is rear bumper of lead car even with front bumper of competing car...

There are good turbo upgrade options for the N55 too. Not to mention single turbo conversions making 500-700hp in N54 cars for $7000-8500. I've owned both N54 & 55 and would take a N55 car in a heart beat....
I would really like a source for all this. I know this is an open forum, but statements like these need some form of validation because you are missing some factors in comparing the two cars. 1st why would BMW "race" an N54 and N55? 2nd you say "each time" which indicates that this happened many times. 3rd A proper test of the engine would be seeing what it is capable of producing where the engine is still kept stable(within engineering design spec) rather than a drag race(why would they be competing by car lengths).

Which leads me to believe that your experience with these cars might be at a dealership in which you drag old vs new models and get away with it.

The only situation where you'd be able to keep all the external variables constant is to have these tests done side be side. This of course means that the N54 would suffer from a loss in power as all engines do simply because of the passage of time because you can't get a new n54 powered 35i and then make the same spec of n55 powered 35i to be in the same chassis.

Now if you are familiar with design spec(your handle is BimmerEngineer), you would know that there is also a tolerable loss between the exact same item and that tests would need to be replicated to exhaustion to prove the point you are trying to make. I can't see a feasible reason that BMW would waste R&D money dragging out of date engines against the newer version to see which is faster by car lengths. There is only one situation in which this *might* happen and this is if they are planning to race the car. But here is what confuses me even more because the purpose of the car is not to drag it. Even if they were competitively racing their i6twin powered engine, then they could simply modify the software for the driver of the car rather than waste R&D money dragging the car.



I know there are other engineers on this forum, why have none of them chimed in? Some of these statement made are just silly.

I am not pro or anti the new twin power setup. I will admit I do bias towards the N54 simply because it caught my eye first, but I can't see a credible reason why your statements would be true.
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Just spoke to my CA... I could lease one of these for $30/mo less than I'm paying right now (equally equipped). The only issue is that I'd be turning in a sweet N54 for the N55 with PPK and nice wheels. I could swap over the sway bar and exhaust but the Cobb would be temporarily useless. Anyone else mulling this over? I honestly can't find another car I like this much that is currently available within this price range. Suggestions welcome...
How much would it cost to lease the 135is if you don't mind me asking?

Also, since these use the N55 engine does that mean the exhaust that comes stock on them wouldn't work on a 2008 N54 powered 135i?
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I'm hoping on leasing one as well. A 135is Convertible.
I'd be ordering it in July 2013...I wonder if there will actually be lease deals by then. (Currently only the std 135i, the 335is and the Z435is are on current lease deals)

I'd be selling my 1988 325i, turning in my 2011 E88 128i convertible and fronting $7000 down....hope that would give me a decent monthly lease price. 36 months, 10k a year miles.

The 88 325i is my first car that I got at age 16 in 1997...it has been restored and has a new rebuilt M20 from a 1992 325ic...love the car, but if I can get a special car such as a 135is...I wouldn't think twice.

For some reason...I'm not into buying the first year of the F22 or whatever it is called. Gotta get another E88 vert.

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For some reason...I'm not into buying the first year of the F22 or whatever it is called. Gotta get another E88 vert.
I think the reason might be that the next 1 (or 2) is pretty homely in comparison to the E82. Maybe the coupe will be better looking than the hatch, but I'm getting an E82 instead of waiting because it's the pinnacle of the line, I like the way it looks, and I don't have to press a sport button for it to be sporty. It just is. I like that.
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