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      05-17-2012, 05:32 PM   #1
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128i on Dyno.

Hey fellas.

Here is my 2009 128i @ 62k miles on DynoJet. Absolutely no mods besides rims and tires. Wanted to get a baseline.

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Very consistent pulls. What do you plan on doing after establishing your baseline?
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Nice to see baselines on a 6MT 128i. Don't think I've seen one yet. Let us know what your plans are, and definitely post if you dyno again after any mods.

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So... peak HP to the wheels on a 128 is only about 30whp less than a twin turbo 135?

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So... peak HP to the wheels on a 128 is only about 30whp less than a twin turbo 135?

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I am not sure about that. I'd think 135 would put at least 260HP to the wheels with 305HP factory rated.
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I am not sure about that. I'd think 135 would put at least 260HP to the wheels with 305HP factory rated.
People have consistently seen 270-280 HP range from the 135i on a dynojet, more like 260-270 on a mustang dyno. Though I have seen some naturally "good" cars on naturally "good" dynos get up to 285, even 290.

That said, looks like there's either a ~10-12% drivetrain power loss (closer to 12% on HP, 10% with torque)... Either this is a "good" car and a "good" dyno... OR... I know N/A RWD engines usually experience a 15-20% power loss versus the about 12-15% the turbo engine loses from crank to wheels. This would mean that the 128i is slightly underrated from the factory and would be making more like 240-245 HP and 215-220 ft lbs at the crank. Either way, that's great, because either you have pretty low drivetrain power loss, or you have a little more power than you thought. Cool!
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People have consistently seen 270-280 HP range from the 135i on a dynojet, more like 260-270 on a mustang dyno. Though I have seen some naturally "good" cars on naturally "good" dynos get up to 285, even 290.

That said, looks like there's either a ~10-12% drivetrain power loss (closer to 12% on HP, 10% with torque)... Either this is a "good" car and a "good" dyno... OR... I know N/A RWD engines usually experience a 15-20% power loss versus the about 12-15% the turbo engine loses from crank to wheels. This would mean that the 128i is slightly underrated from the factory and would be making more like 240-245 HP and 215-220 ft lbs at the crank. Either way, that's great, because either you have pretty low drivetrain power loss, or you have a little more power than you thought. Cool!

power loss is dictated by the drivetrain, not by the induction on the motor. the reason we have these general numbers for either the n/a or turbo... is we take it BMW has rated the motor at the flywheel and given us a 'true' number, then when we dyno the rear wheel power. from here our calculations would often say that either the drivetrain in the turbo is more efficient (which it's not) so actually its simply the flywheel hp dictated by bmw is more accurate on one than the other.

what he's shown for his car based on bmw claimed 230hp his loss is about 14% giving him 198hp at the wheels. That 14% may be true or his car on a flywheel dyno may actually make 220 or even 250 hp, we don't truly know the 'losses' and are doing nothing more than guessing.

either way he's got a nice running car with multiple 'backed up' runs so that's a great baseline to know where he's at and for future measurement of mods if he makes any.

Also it's another great feather in the cap of a great running BMW that is often belittled here on this site for no good reason. 200 rwhp is pretty damn good in a 3000lb car...
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I dunno, in pretty much every application I've seen dyno'd, turbo cars seem to "retain" the most power vs N/A cars, experiencing less loss of power through the drivetrain. Then again, I do realize that the cars are have very similar engines and likely also have similar, if not the same, other drivetrain components which would be contributing to the loss of power to heat. I was just going by the fact that most turbo cars I see tend to have stock dynos that are higher than the "15% rule". For example I see lots of stock STIs and even 135i's dyno around 270, which would be a ~10% loss from the claimed stock HP for both. On the contrary, a 425 hp SRT8 stock dynos between 350 and 370 from what I remember and can wrangle up on google, and the G8 GT from Pontiac dynos around 290-300 for the 360 hp V8 engine. Those drivetrain losses are definitely more.

I don't know if it has anything to do specifically with it being N/A, and I do agree with roo97ss that every car is different and every dyno is different and OP's car could be making 220 HP or 250 HP, who knows because we don't know the car or the dyno, but I'm just making some optimistic comments based on my own experience Roo is correct, though. You don't really know if the dyno reads high or low, and you don't know if your car is higher or lower output than average. Every car is different, so the important thing is to get that baseline. But, personally I think you either got a good car, or all 128i's are a little better than rated, just based on what I've seen for drivetrain loss in other cars compared to these cars. So that's still awesome!
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So... peak HP to the wheels on a 128 is only about 30whp less than a twin turbo 135?

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So a stock 128i makes 199 (highest on the chart) vs 135i's that make at least 270 (on the same dyno).....so 270-199= 71. I like to see where you get the 30rwhp less from. You're seriously making up some ricer math my friend. If a 128i was only 30rwhp less than a 135i then why buy a 135i then when you could throw a cam/full exhaust and have more power.....

I never really noticed the drive train loss for FI cars but now I see that they do retain a bit less drive train loss than N/A cars. 6spd 04 GTOs make a little under 300rwhp (350 hp stock) while 05-06 6spd GTOs make 330-360 rwhp (400 stock) the autos are generally 10-15 hp lower.

Hell, the new ZL1 is interesting either way but auto ZL1's are making 460-470 rwhp while 6spd ZL1's are making 510rwhp+ and they are 580hp stock.
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I wouldn't doubt if BMW didn't underrate the 128i a little. I've always said it feels like it has more power than advertised vs other cars with the same HP/tq ratings. Now, if more aftermarket companies would back the 128i/328i crowd, we could possibly see some really good results from this powerplant
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Nice info.. what gear were you in?? 3rd ???

13-14% drivetrain loss is pretty low... thats a great thing to know.

by chance do you know if the drive train loss is more or less with an automatic ???
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So a stock 128i makes 199 (highest on the chart) vs 135i's that make at least 270 (on the same dyno).....so 270-199= 71. I like to see where you get the 30rwhp less from. You're seriously making up some ricer math my friend. If a 128i was only 30rwhp less than a 135i then why buy a 135i then when you could throw a cam/full exhaust and have more power.....

I never really noticed the drive train loss for FI cars but now I see that they do retain a bit less drive train loss than N/A cars. 6spd 04 GTOs make a little under 300rwhp (350 hp stock) while 05-06 6spd GTOs make 330-360 rwhp (400 stock) the autos are generally 10-15 hp lower.

Hell, the new ZL1 is interesting either way but auto ZL1's are making 460-470 rwhp while 6spd ZL1's are making 510rwhp+ and they are 580hp stock.
It's more a rating thing than actual loss. The drivetrain loss esp static on a dyno is the same no matter what kind of engine you have. meaning turning the gears in the trans, pumps in auto trans and the differential, half shafts etc is what sucks up power. The fact some cars routinely are further from the rated flywheel HP, whether turbo, sc or n/a is not so much that the motor is better, just that flywheel is either optimistic or not.

A great example of a n/a car that had little loss were the ls1s in the camaros.

the 98-00 cars put down 280 on average (305 rating) and many 01s put down 295-300. not surprisingly the 345 hp rated corvette with essentially an identical motor put down essentially identical rwhp ratings (just like the 350hp gto you mention). moral of the story, the camaro was way underrated from factory, corvette/gto probably wasn't.

remember an auto trans pump and converter suck up a fair bit of HP, reason why they have pretty disparate numbers, i'm assuming the zf is just pretty efficient in our cars as numbers aren't as different as say GMs.

it's all semantics but in the end related to the power of the motor, not the induction method.
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Nice info.. what gear were you in?? 3rd ???

13-14% drivetrain loss is pretty low... thats a great thing to know.

by chance do you know if the drive train loss is more or less with an automatic ???
Pulls were made in 4th gear, and we did some more in 5th (they are on separate sheet) and it was the very same results. 199/182 ish. Didn't change the results. Car was dynoed after 1hour of trip, with only 10 minutes of cooling down. Didn't change numbers even after 7th pull.

Interesting note from dyno operator - granted he was not experienced on BMW much- is that he didn't understand why it is so lean in the 1st 4-5k RPM, then riches up. He said it is quite lean compared to other cars he samples. I don't know why it is lean, may be it is the nature of the beast.
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So a stock 128i makes 199 (highest on the chart) vs 135i's that make at least 270 (on the same dyno).....so 270-199= 71. I like to see where you get the 30rwhp less from. You're seriously making up some ricer math my friend. If a 128i was only 30rwhp less than a 135i then why buy a 135i then when you could throw a cam/full exhaust and have more power.....

I never really noticed the drive train loss for FI cars but now I see that they do retain a bit less drive train loss than N/A cars. 6spd 04 GTOs make a little under 300rwhp (350 hp stock) while 05-06 6spd GTOs make 330-360 rwhp (400 stock) the autos are generally 10-15 hp lower.

Hell, the new ZL1 is interesting either way but auto ZL1's are making 460-470 rwhp while 6spd ZL1's are making 510rwhp+ and they are 580hp stock.
I stopped reading after that bold wording. You lost all credibility with that statement...

For all others that dont understand what I was saying, Ive seen a dyno graph of the "PEAK" HP for both cars only being 30-40 hp difference. All things considered it dosnt really matter much due to different dynos and conditions, but even saying there is a 70 hp difference isnt that much better when you have twin turbos...Again, this is only peak I'm talking about, not midrange.
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this seems somewhat consistent. my dyno for my modded 128i gave out 200 hp.

also, mine was automatic so I am sure it has greater power losses to the wheels
i have intake + exhaust.

however, mine was done on a dynojet and the guy had no idea how to do it since my car was an auto and was kicking down gears a lot.

my torque was 242 which is obviously wrong xD

lemme find pic of my dyno

also, the idiot DID NOT PUT those fans in front of my car and as a result after 2 runs it overheated my engine so i left. This was done outside in the garage when it was 100 degrees in Texas. these guys were horrible never go there

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For all others that dont understand what I was saying, Ive seen a dyno graph of the "PEAK" HP for both cars only being 30-40 hp difference. All things considered it dosnt really matter much due to different dynos and conditions, but even saying there is a 70 hp difference isnt that much better when you have twin turbos...Again, this is only peak I'm talking about, not midrange.
I agree that the 70hp difference really doesn't sound that great. The 128 is a great car, and around town, up to legal speeds that 200 whp is a good number for a car rated at only 230 hp.

However, what's that 70 peak HP equate to on the track...
these are comparos on diff days obviously but from MT/C&D
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13.4@105, 11.8 to 100, 21.4 to 130

a second in the 1/4 is pretty significant as is the 10 mph, nevermind a roll race like 60-100 (3 secs), 60-130 (9 secs)

in the 1/4 (100mph) it's about 1 car length per 0.1 secs. Meaning about 10 lengths.

Your comment on the 3.0 liter twin turbos only makes 70hp more is a result of BMWs tuning. Everyone that has tuned their n54/n55 knows that the difference can very easily be 120-160 hp at the wheels. That's what the 2 turbos get you, BMW just tuned it for +70 but there's a lot of unlocked potential there without sacrificing drivability.

I'm not knocking the 128 at all. Hell my tuned 1 is slow compared to my vette but on the street you can really have the most fun in the 128. I mean you can row a few gears keep the pedal to the floor and get to the unsafe 100 mph in 16 secs. That's a relatively long time of enjoyment, but still very respectable...(it's about 1/2 that in my vette...way too fast for public roads)
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I agree that the 70hp difference really doesn't sound that great. The 128 is a great car, and around town, up to legal speeds that 200 whp is a good number for a car rated at only 230 hp.

However, what's that 70 peak HP equate to on the track...
these are comparos on diff days obviously but from MT/C&D
128i
14.5@96, 5.8 to 60 15.7 to 100, 31.4 to 130
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13.3@106, 4.7 to 60 11.5 to 100
13.4@105, 11.8 to 100, 21.4 to 130

a second in the 1/4 is pretty significant as is the 10 mph, nevermind a roll race like 60-100 (3 secs), 60-130 (9 secs)

in the 1/4 (100mph) it's about 1 car length per 0.1 secs. Meaning about 10 lengths.

Your comment on the 3.0 liter twin turbos only makes 70hp more is a result of BMWs tuning. Everyone that has tuned their n54/n55 knows that the difference can very easily be 120-160 hp at the wheels. That's what the 2 turbos get you, BMW just tuned it for +70 but there's a lot of unlocked potential there without sacrificing drivability.

I'm not knocking the 128 at all. Hell my tuned 1 is slow compared to my vette but on the street you can really have the most fun in the 128. I mean you can row a few gears keep the pedal to the floor and get to the unsafe 100 mph in 16 secs. That's a relatively long time of enjoyment, but still very respectable...(it's about 1/2 that in my vette...way too fast for public roads)
I agree with you. I am not bashing the 135i nor the 128i in any way. I am just pointing out the fact that in "STOCK" form that BMW should have made the 135i "on paper" much better performace wise than 70whp especially with forced induction vs all-motor. I drove a 128 and really hated the lack of TQ in down low and in the mid range and love my 135i for that even more. IDK... It was just something that stood out to me. Some people do not like to tune their cars so the whole "just tune it" argument is null to most people not on the forums.
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I stopped reading after that bold wording. You lost all credibility with that statement...

For all others that dont understand what I was saying, Ive seen a dyno graph of the "PEAK" HP for both cars only being 30-40 hp difference. All things considered it dosnt really matter much due to different dynos and conditions, but even saying there is a 70 hp difference isnt that much better when you have twin turbos...Again, this is only peak I'm talking about, not midrange.
So you've "seen" a dyno graph that shows a stock 128i being 30whp less than a stock 135i then, ok. I was comparing the OP HP dyno numbers to what was stated and is known for 135i's to put down on the same dyno (dynojet), which is known for high numbers and if you want real, street numbers then the Mustang (aka heart breaker) will show at least 10rwhp less than the dynojet. Yes, the 135i PEAK numbers aren't great because the turbo's suck, but if that is what you care about then great......135i's are still faster stock for stock and mod for mod. I think BMW did it like that to "save" the engine and drive train components from crapping out. I'm use to high peak numbers too coming from GTOs and F-bodies....ever car is different.

So me stating ricer math makes me loose credibility because you didn't say you've seen another "stock" 128i make 30rwhp less than a "stock" 135i? But I assume because of the "peak" numbers being less for the poor little TT'd/turbo'd 135i. Kthxbai......I don't even know why I "trolled" into this thread anyways.... boredom I suppose.

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I think you are really confused about what peak means....
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Out of curiosity, OP, does your car have the N52 or N51?
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