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      06-06-2012, 12:23 AM   #1
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As my car is finally in the shop today to receive its enhancements, I thought it might be appropriate to start my modding thread. Pictures will follow of course!

My goal is to have a car that is going to be the perfect car as a DD, a perfect car for the backroads, and a perfect car on track with only a pad change and rebound adjustment.

The project will take approximately 1-2 years to be completed.

1. Engine turning - Evolve-R Stage 3
2. ER Chargepipe - installed
3. Forge DV - installed (squeaking when off throttle)
4. Wagner FMIC - installed
5. Wheels - BBS RI-D (dbk) with PSS - installed
6. BBK - Brembos CCM-R with GTR Callipers
7. Suspensions - PSI/Murray Coote
8. CAI - GruppeM CAI
9. Exhaust - Akrapovic Evolution
10. Further lightening - let me know if anyone is interested in an CF parts

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No meth?
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Good to hear mate! post up the results when all done!

what wheels are you going for?

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As my car is finally in the shop today to receive its enhancements, I thought it might be appropriate to start my modding thread. Pictures will follow of course!

My goal is to have a car that is going to be the perfect car as a DD, a perfect car for the backroads, and a perfect car on track with only a pad change and rebound adjustment.

The project will take approximately 1-2 years to be completed.

1. ESS Tuning - installed
2. ER Chargepipe - being installed
3. Forge DV - being installed
4. Wagner FMIC - being installed
5. Wheels - waiting on delivery
6. BBK - negotiating a deal
7. Suspensions - under investigation
8. Exhaust - TBA
9. Stage 2 tune - TBA
10. Further lightening - TBA
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No meth?
No meth lol. I have some plans for turbo upgrade. I won't start looking into it till much later though.
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Well done Steve... About time you emptied out your treasure hoard and put it to good use..
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As my car is finally in the shop today to receive its enhancements, I thought it might be appropriate to start my modding thread. Pictures will follow of course!

My goal is to have a car that is going to be the perfect car as a DD, a perfect car for the backroads, and a perfect car on track with only a pad change and rebound adjustment.

The project will take approximately 1-2 years to be completed.

1. ESS Tuning - installed
2. ER Chargepipe - being installed
3. Forge DV - being installed
4. Wagner FMIC - being installed
5. Wheels - waiting on delivery
6. BBK - negotiating a deal
7. Suspensions - under investigation
8. Exhaust - TBA
9. Stage 2 tune - TBA
10. Further lightening - TBA
I can't wait to see those wheels!
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Sounds exciting, sparoz!

Might be somewhat subjective, but I'm interested to hear how "perfect for DD" is compatible with "perfect for track"
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What wheels? Photos!!!
Oh man! Just you wait!
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I'm waiting....for his old wheels lol

Mods sound good as they all seem to perform a function, what advantage do the charge pipe and forge dv have. i am curious, i don't know much about these
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What wheels? Photos!!!

What springs in the Forge DV's
Not going to spoil the surprise with the wheels. Yellow for forge dv, but that seems to post the most issue with installation. Wagner and ER charge pipe went straight in.
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Sounds exciting, sparoz!

Might be somewhat subjective, but I'm interested to hear how "perfect for DD" is compatible with "perfect for track"
Yes, it is a tough ask. Ie most $ would be spent there.
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I'm waiting....for his old wheels lol

Mods sound good as they all seem to perform a function, what advantage do the charge pipe and forge dv have. i am curious, i don't know much about these
Insurance as you put the boost up. Charge pipe blowing off seems to be the issue even with stock and Biz already had two episodes.

I probably will go the CPE path if I am doing it again.

The forge DV is a spring system and made with steel (?) instead of plastic and will hold boost better.
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      06-06-2012, 04:13 AM   #13
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Forge DV's can handle higher boost than stock valves, but they will even benefit stock cars. They are direct replacement DV's rather than blow-off valve types.

The CP is good for better throttle response... although arguments that the stock CP is fine

There are often used DV's & CP's for sale on the forums as many ppl don't find the benfit ... I'm in 2 minds & need more convincing.
Honestly I am not convinced either. It was more of a concern when earlier 1Ms keep blowing their charge pipe off. Remember I bought all these way back in Nov/Dec and Andrew didn't have any problems with any of the cars that he saw. Now that I have got it, I thought I might as well put it in.

Questionable usefulness, and I still have questions about aftermarket charge pipe designs.
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No meth lol. I have some plans for turbo upgrade. I won't start looking into it till much later though.
If you get a turbo upgrade you will need even more meth

The limitation is pump fuel.
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I don't quite understand how a CP will improve throttle response ???

I do get the Forge DV's as the stock DV's 'could' leak boost.
I'm not too sure on the technical aspects but I do know the benefits to the ER Charge Pipe are:

* The ER one is 3" throughout, from intercooler to throttle body so there's no kinks or restrictions to airflow.
* In addition the stock plastic charge pipe (which leaks in some cars, doesn't leak in others) has an internal sound baffle which causes further turbulence to the airflow before it reaches the throttle body, the ER one eliminates this further improving airflow (and in theory, throttle response).


Tbh, for most daily cars, it's probably not necessary unless you are already experiencing boost leak.

Imo, reasons for upgrading in order of priority:

1. You'll be visiting the track or enjoying spirited driving and want peace of mind that your charge pipe won't blow off - potentially leaving you stranded or damaging something in the engine bay,
2. To eliminate boost leak,
3. You want to run meth, and/or
4. You personally like the sound of a blow off valve
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I don't quite understand how a CP will improve throttle response ???

I do get the Forge DV's as the stock DV's 'could' leak boost.
The theory was that the stock charge pipe was made with rubber and it can expand. They also claim the bellow potentially restricted flow.

The more I read about it, the more I thought that, I don't think the difference will be significant, and the 'bellow' people were talking is actually an expansion joint which is necessary to decrease stress on the elbow.
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If you get a turbo upgrade you will need even more meth

The limitation is pump fuel.
More than one way to skin a cat . Hopefully RSPCA doesn't look at the forums.
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So with the ER, without blow-off valves, (sticking to Forge or stock DVs) there is still increased turbo noise due to metal CP and no baffle?
I personally didn't find any increase in turbo or induction noise with the chargepipe. I did have a DCI at the time though and that didn't appear to get any louder.
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One of the Forge DV piston got stuck - so back to stock for the moment while I sort this out.
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That's surprising!! They are supposed to be far superior
Yes - I haven't read any issues with it as well. Last Google issues were in the Audis and in 2008. Probably back luck . I am reviewing a different option at the moment.
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Maybe just a dud DV then. Sure they will replace?
Probably, the installers have made sure everything is working in order, have it lubed correctly, and have it on their test bench with an air compressor and tested before installation too.

Will see who I need to speak to. Once I got all the pictures of the kit, I will email Forge and see if they are going to deal with it directly or I have to go through Mike from N54tuning.

I haven't picked up the car yet, but apparently the DV has been a hassle fitting especially the hose. FMIC went straight in. The ER charge pipe needs a little fiddle but relatively straight forward.
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Okay, picked up the car today, and the installer has done a great job. The ER chargepipe was the easiest to fit - it just went straight in. The tube is much larger than the stock pipe and as someone was saying I can see the baffle on the stock part - which is now gone. It is not louder when it was warm, but definitely louder on a cold start - it could also be where I have started the car though.

The Wagner actually requires minor trimming for it to fit perfectly on the vertical shroud. The included bolts didn't fit, but they have plenty in the workshop to secure the FMIC down.

The Forge DV valve opens this morning. Could be due to a heat issue where it was stuck? I had a good inspection but can't see the opening of the forge to even change the spring?? Need to investigate further.

You can feel the extra omph from the FMIC, and the response are better. I haven't got a chance to really have a go yet as it is a it wet today up on the coast - but I am already loving it!
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