C63 vs. 135

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by JB4135

A stock C63 does approx 12.9ET. Suj's does 12.3 consistantly with the added power. That's a huge difference IMO.

I agree a 135i with meth will be quicker than a normal stock C63. I had a little trouble keeping up with Suj's car. Traction was the major issue.

he wasn't cheating with the semi's on was he

[JB4-335]

Originally Posted by pavo335

he wasn't cheating with the semi's on was he

Of course he was. He was putting all that 358kw to the ground without any worry. I sat at the lights spinning while he just shot off like a R35 GTR AWD in Launch mode. However when I did get power down both cars were equal.

[Smiley1175]

all you need is meth, meth .. meth is all you need.

I've had a boozy lunch!

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by Smiley1175

all you need is meth, meth .. meth is all you need.

I've had a boozy lunch!

for a tuesday i try to wait till wednesday

[JB4-335]

Originally Posted by Smiley1175

all you need is meth, meth .. meth is all you need.

I've had a boozy lunch!

OOOOHHHH Ian.

[gazz]

I had a new 650i for a day and put about 250klms on it. Man this thing is BIG. I felt like I was parking a battleship in Brisbane. Nervous all the time about where the perimeters of the car were. Has a trick camera system which lets you see round corners as in when you are emerging from a driveway and it needs it. Glorious exhaust note and quite loud when you floor it. Even though it is twin turbo it actually feels like a big NA V8 in its power delivery. That winding up feeling. It is quick but not explosively so; the speed just gathers and suddenly you are doing 130 kph in an 80 klm zone. Lovely driver orientated cockpit and the quality was evident throughout. Let's hope this is a return to quality for BMW in general. Overall though it isn't a car for me. It's too lazy in its responses, even on the firmest of the four settings. The size is intimidating and if it is up against the CL class Merc as BMW is claiming then it just doesn't feel quite as luxurious. Nice styling though the rear seats are a joke in a car this size, a sacrifice to the style I suppose.

I would rather have a C63 and pocket the $100 K difference.

[pavo335]

the 6ers are BIG,i was shocked when i saw one side by side with an old 635csi (I love that car) and it was a lot bigger

[BBK]

Originally Posted by pavo335

Yeh yeh numbers and more numbers. I guess I would expect an AMG worked 6.3 litre V8 to stomp all over an n54, for no other reason than the AMG bit

Hmmm... well a little birdy did tell me once that when you put an M in the model number of a car it stands for Magic So I can see how you might be mistaken.

But unfortunately, in real life Magic doesn't actually happen

[sbce90]

I feel compelled to post. Especially considering I swapped cars over the weekend because I wanted to drive a 135i for a bit.

Firstly in regards to the OP.

If you drove a 2011 then it is highly likely that it was a prefaclift model with the old interior (pop up screen) and old 7sp auto gearbox. Some like the pop up screen but on the whole there is no denying that the updated interior has better 'touch and feel' quality to it as it is essentially a scaled down E class interior now.

Power

OP do you know if the car you drove was a P31 (performance kit) car or a standard car? It doesn't really matter too much because you get the same kind of idea about the engine performance in either form. The C63 power delivery is very linear and predictable. Almost to the point of being a bit boring. Upon my first drive I was a bit disappointed with it because you don't get that push back in your seat at 2000rpm like you do in a 135i. Obviously this comes down to the nature of turbo vs NA engines. Do not however let the 'boringness' deceive you, the car shifts its lardy rear end along very quickly.

I'm lucky enough to have been able to drive someone's 135i for quite a while now. I have loved every minute of it and all the torque and power it makes. Even before catless DPs/FMIC etc... I loved driving a tune only N54. It has a certain "oh sh*t" factor that I feel is lacking in the C63. Now with this 135i making something like 270kw it feels like such a beasty engine in such a small car.


Handling/Steering

This is my one gripe about the C63 (apart from fuel economy obviously). The steering feels far too fake and remote from the front wheels. The facelift C63s actually have slightly revised suspension and steering (for better fuel economy) compared to the pre-facelift models. Reviews say that it is closer to an M3 in handling than ever before but personally I much prefer going around bends in my 320i simply because the steering 'feels' nicer. Haven't driven an M3 so I can't compare directly but I prefer my non-M (but Msport) 320i for handling.

That being said, as you mention, city driving is a breeze and it is very predictable.

Transmission

It is highly likely that the car you drove was fitted with the old 7speed conventional auto. I've driven a pre-FL C63 with the auto and it was ok but the new 7sp MCT transmission is a definite improvement. Comfort mode is super easy for day to day driving while S+/M really gets the petrol flowing through your bloodstream

Interior

As previously mentioned if it was a pre-FL car then the interior is outdated and is indeed a little bland. The front seats do 'look' good, but I'm not sure it is the best design as my elbows sometimes hit against the side bolsters. Also they are a pain to get in and out of without squashing the bolsters.

Sound

I love the sound turbo cars make, induction/spool/blow off etc.. but nothing can beat the exhaust sound of an NA car... especially an AMG.

Originally Posted by bmroxm5

one gripe I guess is that NA cars with their linear power delivery are just a tad bit less exciting than turbo...

Pretty much sums it up.

Originally Posted by BMW86

When I got back into my car it felt like a go kart in comparison (coilovers, LSD, tyres etc).

One I drove over the weekend was same coilovers/lsd but worn tyres lol. Feels 'chuckable' into corners, but I didn't because 1) worn tyres and 2) its not my car.



Now as for Edwin..

Once this guy has all his excuses sorted and is running race fuel and meth and nitrous and his flux capacitor is fixed etc.. etc.. blah blah he will probably have a faster car.

Honestly though, down the 1/4mile Edwins 135i definitely has it. There is no denying that. To date I've only done 6 or 7 runs down WSID and I haven't figured out the best way to get the car off the line. All 60' times are 2s or slower, whereas a mate in a pre-FL C63 has got like 1.8 60' time and a slip I saw of Paul (335i) was also like 1.86 or something. Best run is a 12.31@117 and highest trap is a 118.6mph.

However if we do some rolling starts then it will be a hell of a lot closer.

Just be wary of the tuned C63. Comparing stock to modded atm, but compare modded to modded and have fun keeping up. The 9s are close

[sbce90]

Originally Posted by BBK

I don't think he is directly comparing a modded 135i with a C63, just saying that a few people would progress onto something else and a C63 would be a great car to move onto afterwards.

But most people would take a C63 over a modded 135i even if the 135i is faster. Wait... had major dejavu then... have we had a similar conversation before?

I just can't believe how a standard C63 (without an LSD) can be considered a supercar in some places

[JB4-335]

Originally Posted by sbce90

Now as for Edwin..

Once this guy has all his excuses sorted and is running race fuel and meth and nitrous and his flux capacitor is fixed etc.. etc.. blah blah he will probably have a faster car.

Honestly though, down the 1/4mile Edwins 135i definitely has it. There is no denying that. To date I've only done 6 or 7 runs down WSID and I haven't figured out the best way to get the car off the line. All 60' times are 2s or slower, whereas a mate in a pre-FL C63 has got like 1.8 60' time and a slip I saw of Paul (335i) was also like 1.86 or something. Best run is a 12.31@117 and highest trap is a 118.6mph.

[BBK]

Originally Posted by sbce90

I just can't believe how a standard C63 (without an LSD) can be considered a supercar in some places

Maybe it's something in the water they drink?

[rayz]

OT but if anyone is looking to upgrade, there's a 2009 white C63 sedan at BMW Kingsway for $119k OTR. Snapped a pic but don't know how to post it on the iPhone.

[BMW86]

The biggest thing the 135i has over the C63 is it's no where near as thirsty on fuel. The FI I6 is way easier to live with. I know a lot of people say "if you can afford a C63..." but the reality is if it is your daily and you drive it everywhere, those costs do add up. It really isn't even close.

Besides that, I think the C63 is a wicked car. If I had one I'd go to town on mods and make it into a beast. I still think a 135i/1M is more focussed on track car and easier to handle, but I'd happily own a C63. As much as I respect the M3 I'd pick a C63 over one every day. Not taking anything away from the M3, just think the C63 takes this one. Next M3 will be interesting though.

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by BMW86

The biggest thing the 135i has over the C63 is it's no where near as thirsty on fuel. The FI I6 is way easier to live with. I know a lot of people say "if you can afford a C63..." but the reality is if it is your daily and you drive it everywhere, those costs do add up. It really isn't even close.

Besides that, I think the C63 is a wicked car. If I had one I'd go to town on mods and make it into a beast. I still think a 135i/1M is more focussed on track car and easier to handle, but I'd happily own a C63. As much as I respect the M3 I'd pick a C63 over one every day. Not taking anything away from the M3, just think the C63 takes this one. Next M3 will be interesting though.

I'm still toying with the idea of an m3 + sc as a track car

[Ian///M]

Originally Posted by pavo335

I'm still toying with the idea of an m3 + sc as a track car

Just put an S65 + sc in your 335i... you said they'r the same

[Smiley1175]

Originally Posted by sbce90

...
However if we do some rolling starts then it will be a hell of a lot closer.

Just be wary of the tuned C63. Comparing stock to modded atm, but compare modded to modded and have fun keeping up. The 9s are close

I don't actually agree about the rolling starts, a modded 135 isn't that easier to get cleanly off the line either. Most high powered rear wheel drive cars suffer this (tho you can launch a 911 pretty hard). In my short run ins with C63's it's always been rolling starts and I've always got the immediate jump. Might just be that sweet torque spot, but the turbo has more torque down low than the C63.

Great time slip, what does it take to get one into that territory? That's significantly faster than stock and possibly not cheap to do to get it done right and useable.

I'm not bashing the Merc, I think it's a brutal car and something people like us need. The M3 has been king in that territory for too long while Audi and Merc tried to produce something close. The C63 is just that different (mental) that it has it's own character and flare which is why most of us here would happily own one.

[1q2w3e4r]

Pretty funny putting fuel economy and the 6.2ltr AMG motor in the same sentence! You definitely don't worry about that if you own one. Par for the course they chew through it unfortunately, shocking on fuel you'd have to own shares in Caltex to at least feel somewhat okay each time you fill up at the bowser!

[Alext]

I can't say that I find a stock or even a mild tune-only N54 provides all that much 'turbo rush' simply because of the setup and size of the stock turbos. I found this rush much more addictive and pronounced in single turbo cars of course.

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by Ian///M

Just put an S65 + sc in your 335i... you said they'r the same

Thinking of a dedicated track car, ie stripping it bare. And I think I said a 1m and 135 were the same not 335 m3

[BBK]

Originally Posted by pavo335

And I think I said a 1m and 135 were the same not 335 m3

Don't think it matters what you say Pav, it's going to be misunderstood or ignored anyways.

[JB4-335]