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      06-24-2014, 04:16 AM   #1
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Brake pad upgrade? New discs installed!

Lately I was experiencing vibrations under braking especially after a wash (where the calipers initially 'stick' to the disc) until force is applied under acceleration

Recently though the issue has been worse - and I would expect this to diminish after some brake use. Took the car back and it turns out the rear discs were warped - which explained the vibration. The car is under warranty so the discs will be replaced - but the car will be heading to the track soon - and I have read that the OEM brakepads really aren't good enough.

Suggestions? No other mods to the car...

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Endless ME20. Best pads I've ever used.
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Thanks Ro1M, I'll check then out. Never heard of Endless - was told to check out EBC Yellows too...
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You can also try Performance Friction #08 compounds. An endurance pad that will last a while. I would also upgrade the brake fluid to a high boiling temp one, Motul RBF600, or the likes and you will be good to start with.
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Thanks Ro1M, I'll check then out. Never heard of Endless - was told to check out EBC Yellows too...
Don't use the EBC Yellows. Marginally better performance than that stock pads and they are much noisier. Stay away.

I enjoyed PFC pads for the track. Had great results with the 01 compound (amazing initial bite), but they didn't last as long as I had hoped.
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I've used several brands and these are my favourite.

Company: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endle...hnology_Europe

ME20s:
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=779535

http://alekshop.com/products/endless..._e92_m3_e82_1m

Can't get them to fade!
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IMO, unless you are an advanced track driver the stock pads will suffice on the track. I am an intermediate driver level and I moved to the hybrid Ferodo DS2500 pads for a while for both road and track. Not ideal for a DD. I now just swap out my OE pads before going to the track. When the DS2500 pads wear out, I'll move to PFC-08's.
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I use ME20s on track with my Stoptechs, can't get them to fade either. Awesome pads.
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Ok that's great - Thanks for the info - now to find where I can get them.... As usual stock here of anything is limited (at best, and that's if they even stock them here) so google here I come
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I bought mine from an Australian distributor so can't really help, but they usually take a while as they were made to order in Japan.
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An Australian distributor would work actually - I'm in Oz about once a month
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Then call or email vsport.
I've always found them very helpful.
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Awesome - Thanks Nugget!
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EBC vs Hawks

Hi All,

Should I consider EBC( Yellow, Red) or Hawks HPS. Daily street driving with occasional track days during summer. Any suggestions please ?


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Should I consider EBC( Yellow, Red) or Hawks HPS. Daily street driving with occasional track days during summer. Any suggestions please ?


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Ferodo DS2500 is considered a decent dual-use pad.
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Should I consider EBC( Yellow, Red) or Hawks HPS. Daily street driving with occasional track days during summer. Any suggestions please ?


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NO. I wouldn't use EBC anything. If you are in a Miata then perhaps, fine.
But not in a medium to heavy car. Just don't waste your time or money.


The stock pads are very much up to the task of track duty, for beginner to intermediate level track drivers. A stock type replacement pad that is a little more aggressive is the Performance Friction Z-rated pad. Perhaps the Hawk HPS fits here.. I have not used it.

As others have mentioned, the Ferodo DS2500 is a good pad for the intermediate level track driver that doesn't want to go full race pad and doesnt want to change from street pads for the track. The Hawk HP+ is also a decent combo pad as well. This driver typically will be running street tires or max performance tires like the Hankook RS-3, BFG Rival, Advan AD-08, Dunlop Direzza Star Spec and may also be an autocrosser. Keep in mind that you will likely get some squeal from these pads on the street. Braking in shorter distance , and *harder*, on the street will help save your ears and keep those odd looks from other drivers to a minimum..

Advanced level drivers on full race tires will eventually go with true race pads like the PFC 08 or 11, Hawk HT-10 or DTC, Ferodo DS3000 etc. Those in truly hot climates (Texas, Arizona, California, Australia) can run these pads on the street (of course not during " winter") at the risk of worn out ear drums due to impersonating a dump truck at every corner. Braking performance on track of course will be phenomenal.

My absolute personal favorite pad is the PFC. In my opinion they provide 85-90 percent of the initial bite of a Hawk Pad with better torque and modulation throughout the pedal range. Hawk pad lovers will forever be addicted to Hawk's killer initial clamp down force, so Stay with hawk if that is you o "King of the late brakers... " While I do like the HT-10s, I prefer a pad that gives me even * more* braking torque as I need it when I need to *really* squeeze on the binders at the end of a braking zone, so the PFC pads are my favorite. I am curious about the Endless pads the Aussies have access to but nothing else compares to PFC 01, and 08 in my book.
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Great post by Mark and agree with all of his observations.

Of course, I'm also a PFC fan.

BTW, the PFC-01 -- a truly phenomenol race pad -- is being phased out in favor of the new PFC-11.

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NO. I wouldn't use EBC anything. If you are in a Miata then perhaps, fine.
But not in a medium to heavy car. Just don't waste your time or money.


The stock pads are very much up to the task of track duty, for beginner to intermediate level track drivers. A stock type replacement pad that is a little more aggressive is the Performance Friction Z-rated pad. Perhaps the Hawk HPS fits here.. I have not used it.

As others have mentioned, the Ferodo DS2500 is a good pad for the intermediate level track driver that doesn't want to go full race pad and doesnt want to change from street pads for the track. The Hawk HP+ is also a decent combo pad as well. This driver typically will be running street tires or max performance tires like the Hankook RS-3, BFG Rival, Advan AD-08, Dunlop Direzza Star Spec and may also be an autocrosser. Keep in mind that you will likely get some squeal from these pads on the street. Braking in shorter distance , and *harder*, on the street will help save your ears and keep those odd looks from other drivers to a minimum..

Advanced level drivers on full race tires will eventually go with true race pads like the PFC 08 or 11, Hawk HT-10 or DTC, Ferodo DS3000 etc. Those in truly hot climates (Texas, Arizona, California, Australia) can run these pads on the street (of course not during " winter") at the risk of worn out ear drums due to impersonating a dump truck at every corner. Braking performance on track of course will be phenomenal.

My absolute personal favorite pad is the PFC. In my opinion they provide 85-90 percent of the initial bite of a Hawk Pad with better torque and modulation throughout the pedal range. Hawk pad lovers will forever be addicted to Hawk's killer initial clamp down force, so Stay with hawk if that is you o "King of the late brakers... " While I do like the HT-10s, I prefer a pad that gives me even * more* braking torque as I need it when I need to *really* squeeze on the binders at the end of a braking zone, so the PFC pads are my favorite. I am curious about the Endless pads the Aussies have access to but nothing else compares to PFC 01, and 08 in my book.
As a 11 year track day veteran, I agree almost 100% with this post.

Many years ago I put a set on EBC yellows on my wife's Eagle Talon for her first track day. They didn't last the weekend. I had to go back to a stock pads just so she could finish the weekend. Hawk HPS are a great street pad but they are not intended to be used on the track. If this is your first track day ever, then you should be ok with stock pads. After that I would recommend one of the dual purpose pads that M3 Adjuster mentions above.
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