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View Poll Results: VANOS on your 2010-2012 - recall/warranty/neither?
N52 - recalled 3 12.50%
N52 - extended warranty 4 16.67%
N52 - neither 1 4.17%
N54 - recalled 0 0%
N54 - extended warranty 0 0%
N54 - neither 3 12.50%
N55 - recalled 9 37.50%
N55 -extended warranty 0 0%
N55 - neither 4 16.67%
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      11-18-2014, 11:41 AM   #1
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Smile VANOS recall/extended warranty poll.

I got a ten year warranty on the VANOS via letter from BMW. Instead of a recall. Curious how this breaks out. Here's what was originally announced, so these cars only, please.

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      11-18-2014, 11:48 AM   #2
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2012 135i DCT
Manufacture Date 7/11
Recall letter received, executed by dealer late last month.
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My car is outside of the recall dates. I would like BMW to let us know why our cars are not part of the recall.
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      11-19-2014, 08:21 AM   #4
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Checked my VIN against the BMW Website and it was not subject to the recall, even though it was manufactured in February of 2011. Got the letter the other day for the extended warranty/reimbursement for previous repair. Haven't had any problems whatsoever at ~35K miles.
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      11-19-2014, 11:03 AM   #5
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My car is outside of the recall dates. I would like BMW to let us know why our cars are not part of the recall.
And I'd like to know why some cars get the recall and others the 10 year warranty. Part of the reason for the poll is testing the theory that it's a 128/135 thing.

Both of us are unlikely to get satisfaction from BMW on this.
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      11-19-2014, 11:05 PM   #6
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2010 135. Had mine checked at the dealer when I had it inspected pre purchase. They said no recall.
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      11-21-2014, 08:16 PM   #7
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2011 128i, build date of July 2010. I have 24k miles, and got the warranty extension letter this week.
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      11-22-2014, 03:34 AM   #8
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2011 135i recalled. I think you might be on to something with the NA/turbo thing!
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      11-22-2014, 09:53 AM   #9
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N52. Feb 2010 build date. 2 recall letters, plus a hit on BMW's recall site, plus a hit at the dealer when in for brake service. Repaired by dealer. Never heard of the extended warranty.
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      11-23-2014, 08:20 PM   #10
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My car is outside of the recall dates. I would like BMW to let us know why our cars are not part of the recall.
You don't have the defective bolts in your car. It's that simple.
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      11-23-2014, 08:41 PM   #11
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I figure BMW isn't quite sure about some 6 cylinder engines having the problem Vanos bolts while others they are dead certain.

The dead certain ones they have no choice but do the fix. The rest are a gamble. Will the ten-year warranty extend to subsequent owner? Who knows?
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      11-23-2014, 09:04 PM   #12
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Manufacture date; 10/09.
No recall, just extended warranty letter.

I just got the letter last week but it is dated August 2014...
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      11-24-2014, 09:37 AM   #13
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Question NHTSA

BTW, to check for all recalls use the following:

http://www.nhtsa.gov/

It gives more information.
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I figure BMW isn't quite sure about some 6 cylinder engines having the problem Vanos bolts while others they are dead certain.

The dead certain ones they have no choice but do the fix. The rest are a gamble. Will the ten-year warranty extend to subsequent owner? Who knows?
I understand your "figuring", and you may well be right. But there's no info available about that, at either the NHTSA website or the BMW one.

I figure that they're giving the ten year extension to some 128s, because they have lower power. Maybe those with some other magic (little high rpm use?) recorded by the electronics? BMW no doubt stores the readouts.

The bottom line is that we're all just guessing. If we had VIN ranges for the various solutions, that would tell us more. Not available.

The ten year letter does say it extends to subsequent owners.
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Take 4 hours of labor X all the N55 engines built plus the administrative cost and BMW is taking a huge hit to its earnings.
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Take 4 hours of labor X all the N55 engines built plus the administrative cost and BMW is taking a huge hit to its earnings.
Not hardly. BMW earnings are very approximately, something over 10 billion dollars/year. The recalled maybe 250,000 cars. 4 hours labor (their cost) maybe 200 dollars. X 1/4 million cars = 50 million dollars. About 1/2 of one percent. Administrative cost, maybe a million bucks.

Not insignificant, hardly "huge".
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I just looked at their income statement, and the company's net income is around $5B/year. Total revenue is around $76B/year and after operating expenses and other charges, the company nets $5B of income which some goes to share holders and the rest is retained earnings.

It should impress you that $76B of total revenue is whittled down to $5B of net income. Unfortunately the income statement doesn't break out the recall or administrative expense; however, you might consider labor rates for dealers run anywhere from $100 to $200/hour. Administrative costs are enormous due to dealing with US safety and environmental regulations, contacting owners, and then the dealers. Remember this is a foreign company.

I can see you don't understand income statements or balance sheet accounting, because you are just throwing around numbers. In any case, these "mistakes" greatly hurt companies.
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