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      07-25-2014, 04:54 PM   #1
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I've always said the BEST oil is FRESH oil! Jalopnik has a pretty good article on why you should always change your own oil!


http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/dont-g...ium=socialflow
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I've always said the BEST oil is FRESH oil! Jalopnik has a pretty good article on why you should always change your own oil!


http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/dont-g...ium=socialflow
Always seems a bit strong. Should people not get their oil changed by BMW dealers during the free maintenance period, because they're worried they won't put in the oil, or will leave the filter loose? Jalopnik's issues pretty much refer to oil change centers using cheap labor and competing on cost.

"Some people don't have the time or the inclination to pull off the self-serve oil change and they often go to those quickie oil change places."

An alternative is to have a mechanic that you trust. Basically, if I trust someone (a general mechanic, not a brake/suspension specialty shop) to work on my brakes/suspension I trust them to change my oil. Trusting them with my life means more than trusting them with my car.

I don't use quick change oil places.

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      07-25-2014, 07:08 PM   #3
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Wish I could change my own oil. I bought my 1er out of factory warranty but got a 3rd party warranty extension for just a few hundred dollars for two years. Unfortunately I didn't read all of the fine print. It specifically says any maintenance, including oil changes, must be done by a licensed repair facility. It also specifically states do-it-yourself maintenance and repairs are not permitted.
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      07-25-2014, 08:15 PM   #4
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Yup, find a mechanic/shop you trust, preferably with some BMW background. Don't have the space, tools etc. to do it myself. Use car clubs, forums for referrals. My shop has no problem with showing me work in progress or my checking under my car when it's in the air.
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      07-25-2014, 09:33 PM   #5
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For those who can't do their own oil changes and don't want to risk the cheapo joints most major cities should have a service center that specializes in BMWs with factory trained technicians, etc. who will be very thorough and "do it for less" than the dealership. Here in Honolulu we have Bavarian Motor Experts which has a very good rep. The Honolulu dealership charges $250 for an oil change! I almost dropped the phone when I called them for pricing. BME will do the same thing for about $130 and there's a $25 off coupon on their website.
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      07-26-2014, 09:38 AM   #6
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I would like to think there's a difference between going to Jiffy Lube and a BMW dealership for your oil change.

At least I hope there is.
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Oil changes (between scheduled maintenance changes at 7500 miles) are a little under $90 at my BMW dealership. After maintenance expires, I'll still take it there; while I could do it myself, there's the oil-disposal issue and having to get the car elevated using ramps or jackstands, which I don't really care to own (and take up space in my garage). All that, and if you screw something up, you don't have anyone to blame but yourself. If you have the facilities and tools, DIY is fine as long as you use the proper oil and filter and remember to tighten things correctly and replace any o-rings that are required, etc.
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I don't use quick change oil places.
+1.

I'd rather keep my old, dirty oil than to have one of those quickie shops change my oil.
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Ok... so I've been a BMW dealer technician for about the past 10 years, here is my take from the other end of it.

-BMW castrol synthetic oil is good... not the best, but it does the job well enough.

-synthetic oil is not cheap. 7qts of oil plus cost of filter and paying me 1/2hr... how much profit do you think the dealer is really making off the $90 oil service?

-BMW oil filters are the only way to go. The quick change places use some really low end filters that don't fit properly and generally fall apart towards the end of your oil service interval. On top of that, quick change oil service places generally do not replace the o-rings on the oil filter cap. This will eventually cause an oil leak. I've also seen oil filter caps missing the center post which causes oil pressure issues and a bypass of the oil filter.

-If a BMW dealer botches an oil service... repairs will be covered.

-Coolant and CHF 11-s top off with correct bmw fluids... free

And a bit of advice... change the oil at least every 10k miles regardless of what the service reminder says. BMW has in fact just changed to this mileage as standard in MY2014.
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      07-26-2014, 12:26 PM   #10
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And a bit of advice... change the oil at least every 10k miles regardless of what the service reminder says. BMW has in fact just changed to this mileage as standard in MY2014.
And, of course, BMW dealers will cheerfully change the oil for free at 10K on MY2012-13 cars, under the service agreement?
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      07-26-2014, 01:26 PM   #11
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I let the dealer change the oil in my 2009 until it got out of warranty. Now I will change it every 5000 miles. I used BMW oil and parts for a couple changes but more recently I've used Mobil 1 0-40W from Walmart and Mann filters from Amazon. I have changed the oil on all my vehicles with few exceptions. The primary reasons is it takes less time to change the oil than it does to take it somewhere for a change and I know it will be done correctly if I do it. Saving money is nice too but the other factors are more important. My mom had an engine ruined by a Walmart oil change where they didn't put oil back in. I had a coworker have his drain plug stripped. I've also changed vehicles at our free oil change events at church with rounded off oil plugs and oil plugs with obviously damaged threads. We put in new drain plugs for the rounded off ones but don't have the tools to deal with the stripped ones.

I realize not everybody has a place to do this but it is not very difficult. I don't even jack my SUV up to drain the oil but have to for the filter, on one side. It's unusually bad in location. The bimmer is simple except you have to raise it to get to the drain plug. I use a cheap Harbor Freight jack and a couple stands. I use 2x4 ramps to lift the car enough to get the jack under it. Then the jack goes in the center, the car comes up, then the stands go under and the jack comes out. Used oil goes into an old metal polyurethane can. It holds 5 gallons so I only have to take it to the recycler once a twice a year. We have satellite trash sites that take it and Advance autoparts stores do too. I made a mess pouring the used oil into the can last time when the funnel decided to jump out of the can but usually it goes pretty smoothly. Dealer changes didn't damage my car except they didn't put the hatch in the under pan back in right and it is now gone.
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... -synthetic oil is not cheap. 7qts of oil plus cost of filter and paying me 1/2hr... how much profit do you think the dealer is really making off the $90 oil service?
I can buy that, but don't you think $250 is a bit steep? This is Hawaii and there's such a thing as the "price of paradise" but $250 for an oil change?
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I use my dealer to change oil. Costs 90.00 plus I drop car off they have a loaner waiting for me. Go to work, leave stop by dealer drop car off pick mine up. Done deal. My time is worth the few extra dollars it cost plus if anything goes wrong dealer is responsible.
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My BMW Service Advisor told me a simple oil change is $200... I buy BMW oil and filter, and save $140...
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Wish I could change my own oil. I bought my 1er out of factory warranty but got a 3rd party warranty extension for just a few hundred dollars for two years. Unfortunately I didn't read all of the fine print. It specifically says any maintenance, including oil changes, must be done by a licensed repair facility. It also specifically states do-it-yourself maintenance and repairs are not permitted.
Isn't that a violation of the Magnussen-Moss Act?

http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles...ne-maintenance
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And, of course, BMW dealers will cheerfully change the oil for free at 10K on MY2012-13 cars, under the service agreement?
They did for my car at 10K just a week ago... Even though I told them I had changed the oil at 7500 miles.
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And, of course, BMW dealers will cheerfully change the oil for free at 10K on MY2012-13 cars, under the service agreement?
They did for my car at 10K just a week ago... Even though I told them I had changed the oil at 7500 miles.
I getting mine done Monday. Wow you are only at 10k? I am about to hit 15k.
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Wow you are only at 10k?
Yup.

Work is close, so all I have are the occasional weekend trips.
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And, of course, BMW dealers will cheerfully change the oil for free at 10K on MY2012-13 cars, under the service agreement?
Your no cost maintenance agreement is for 15k mile oil services... so no. Tough luck...

Bmw will also pay a dealership for the cost of a "low mile oil service" once a year (366 days after your last oil service) if you are more than 2000 miles away from your next "full oil service". At a low mile service, the condition based service data does not get reset and you will return for the full oil service whenever its due on your idrive or cluster. This could mean that you get your oil changed again in as few as 2001 miles.

As for $250 oil change? On the mainland, yeah that would be unacceptable. In Hawaii? I'm sure lots of things cost more than they should, and that sucks. BMW Honolulu is the only game in town. I would just buy a bmw oil filter and get castrol edge synthetic from an auto parts store, then take it to another shop.
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Just had the "10K" no-cost oil change. For cars manufactured July '13 and later, I understand BMW reduced the covered maintenance interval for oil changes from 15K to 10K. When asserting this change in policy, my SA said the new interval is coded into the key fob if it applies. He also said BMW covers the cost of the 10K service once the car is within 1.5K-2K of that window, or 8K miles.
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Just had the "10K" no-cost oil change. For cars manufactured July '13 and later, I understand BMW reduced the covered maintenance interval for oil changes from 15K to 10K.
My car was built in April-May of 2012 and the dealership was fine with giving my car its 10K maintenance.

Actually, when I scheduled my appointment for service, the 10K interval showed up on the dealership's scheduling calendar...
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Isn't that a violation of the Magnussen-Moss Act?

http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles...ne-maintenance
According to the linked FTC page the provisions apply to manufacturers and dealers. It would appear the Act does not prevent a third party warranty contract to require maintenance by a licensed facility.
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