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      11-29-2014, 05:12 PM   #1
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Exclamation HDPE Front Splitter $300 Group buy (US specific)

For the past week I've been working with Ben/Chris from Flow Designs based in Melbourne to get a front splitter created for the 135i.

Design:
I have asked them to base it off the popular Kerscher front lip, however personally did not like the bumps in the middle and asked them to make it a straight curve so that it will look a lot cleaner.

Material:
What is High density polyethylene (HDPE), Why is it used?
https://www.facebook.com/notes/flow-...83466585022358

Vendor:
Flow Designs Australia - You can see their other works on their facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/flowdesignaustralia

Price:
Group buy <8 = $350 each
Group buy >8 = $300 each!

Delivery:
VIC Metro $20 (or pickup)
NSW/SA Metro $30
QLD metro $35
NT/WA metro $40

US $140 (AUD) - go to last page of thread for US buyers

E82 M-Sport Front Splitter + AERO SPACERS - SATIN BLACK
Kit Includes:
- Front Splitter
- Fitting kit
- Pre-mounted Adjustable Aero Spacers
- Aero Spacer Adjustment kit (up to 2.5 degrees of adjustment)
- 2 Flow Design Stickers
- 10mm thick HDPE (high density polyethylene)

HDPE Front Splitter group buy

The Final group buy list
1. 7smurfs - $ received
2. RC01 -$ received
3. imske3000 - $ received
4. Harills - $ received
5. mcmn
6. morris86
7. D2000 - $ received
8. Danny52
9. Froop - $ received
10. C0ris07 - $ received
11. Anthony B - $ received
12. Orangee94 - $ received
13. Kirst
14. Koastal - $ received
15. PeteA - $ received
16. kb135 - $ received

Shipping
Orders #1015 -1022 were shipped last night via courier
Orders #1022+ should optimistically be made today and possibly shipped out same time too. Though wouldn't expect to get it til mid next week.

Still want to purchase?
Those who were on the original group buy list would have gotten a PM from me and are still eligible if you still want it.

Anyone else who may be interested, please PM me though the price will not be the same I may be able to get you a discount from RRP!

Thanks!
Thanks everyone for your help and input and helping make organising this fairly easy! Looking forward to see how they look in person installed.

Also anyone in the group buy from Melbourne and wouldn't mind doing the install together? (will need to borrow your jack heh - apartment living life )

Next on the list:
  1. HPDE Side Splitters - will look for help regarding design
  2. V2 HPDE M-sport Front Race Splitter - 135 can take the lead with design
  3. V1 HPDE M-sport Front Splitter (US specific group buy)

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      11-30-2014, 12:29 AM   #2
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I'm interested!!
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      11-30-2014, 01:34 AM   #3
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Saw these today, they are extremely strong but you can see the CNC machining marks on them
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      11-30-2014, 06:04 AM   #4
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I'm interested as well
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      11-30-2014, 07:52 AM   #5
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Interesting.. Would also consider - http://page8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h195027015
$300, seems to looks better as well.
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      11-30-2014, 08:16 AM   #6
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*Shipping info has been updated.
*Added pic from the meet

Spoke to Flow regarding CNC marks and was told that they will polish to get them mint aka produced with no marks from my understanding.

Interested parties:
1. Jeff
2. RC01
3. imske3000
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      11-30-2014, 10:02 AM   #7
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The Kerscher lip seems to protrude more and is also made of carbon fibre for and extra $75/$125, depending where you live. But this looks like a pretty good alternative.

What would be more interesting is a lip that protrudes a lot more, with adjustable support rods, like the Berk race car (photos below, including view from underneath) - I'm not sure if the adjustable rods would be better mounted on the side of the air dam (as pictured) or underneath the bumper support. The Flow Designs facebook page shows several lips for other makes in this style. Do you think they would be interested in producing something like this for the 135i?









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      11-30-2014, 04:20 PM   #8
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Does Flow Designs offer CF wrapping or hydrodipping?
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      11-30-2014, 05:21 PM   #9
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Hey 135 and totti84 - will ask.
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bump! Please let me know if interested - may make an order soon.

Once order is made it will take 1 day to pack and ship


Reply from Flow Designs:

1. We don't do wrapping or painting etc

2. Carbon is great but they can crack/split - ours don't

3. We can make a version 2 that protrudes out more and add rods. Not a problem. We do a lot of custom orders like that.
We will need a minimum order of 3 for this to happen or we charge a design fee.

If anyone wants a custom one off design we can do that.

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Reply from Flow Designs:

3. We can make a version 2 that protrudes out more and add rods. Not a problem. We do a lot of custom orders like that.
We will need a minimum order of 3 for this to happen or we charge a design fee.

If anyone wants a custom one off design we can do that.
For the "Version 2", are you able to find out:
  • What the cost would be?
  • What the design fee would be if there isn't a minimum of 3 orders?
  • What the shipping costs would be?
  • Would the portion that extends underneath the car be the same as the Berk example? The Flow Designs concaves to match the bumper line while the Berk cuts straight across. The Berk lip might extend a lot further inward and have more mounting/securing points due to the extra weight compared to a "standard" carbon lip.
  • How does HDPE compare to carbon in terms of weight?
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im interested
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1. 7smurfs
2. RC01
3. imske3000
4. Harills
5. mcmn

3 more!

135 I will get back to you. Might be easier if you deal with them directly on that matter though
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Argh this is so tempting. I just spent $800 on new toys for the car in the past 2 weeks and I promised myself I wouldn't spend any more until after Christmas.

$300 is so cheap though! Any idea how perfect it fits?
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What's the level of difficulty on the install?
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What's the level of difficulty on the install?
Not 100% sure. Once I get my hands on one I'll give you guys a review of the process.

Looking to see if I can secure one so that I can take more pics and show off at upcoming meets. Will keep you guys posted!

*updated SA delivery price = same as SYD

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From Flow Designs regarding the questions:

For the "Version 2", are you able to find out:

What the cost would be?
- approximately $50-$75 for the extra materials required.
- $50 for custom length rods

What the design fee would be if there isn't a minimum of 3 orders?
-$100 for redesigning the shape/size/contour

What the shipping costs would be?
- VIC Metro $20 (or pickup)
- NSW/SA Metro $30
- QLD metro $35
- NT/WA metro $40

Would the portion that extends underneath the car be the same as the Berk example?
The Flow Designs concaves to match the bumper line while the Berk cuts straight across. The Berk lip might extend a lot further inward and have more mounting/securing points due to the extra weight compared to a "standard" carbon lip.
- if you require depth this is become a special order and we will need redesign it. this will be POA only.
-If you would like to change the contour/lines/shape/sie this can be done. we will charge a redesign fee of $100 if the order is for less than 3.

How does HDPE compare to carbon in terms of weight?
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HDPE is a extremely high density plastic and we use the most durable grade possible. Weight would be double over carbon fibre but over 10x the durability. (stronger than plastic chopping boards)
refer to https://www.facebook.com/notes/flow-...83466585022358
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Updates regarding current design:

"We have now added adjustable aero spacers to our design
the kit will comes with 2 pre mounted spacers + the aero adjustment kit

same price if its a group buy

They are not visible from outside the car unless u peer though the opening.

That is our prototype piece so those photos show the CNC marks but it gives you an idea of what it will look like when you open the box

In terms of fitment. it will comes down to the installer "



More pics to come.
Might look at getting one installed on my car first so that you guys can check it out in person and see how good fitment is, otherwise I've been told that it is basically the same as the prototype without the markings..
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This is perfect. Can it be shipped to US? If so, i'm in.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 7smurfs View Post
From Flow Designs regarding the questions:

For the "Version 2", are you able to find out:

What the cost would be?
- approximately $50-$75 for the extra materials required.
- $50 for custom length rods

What the design fee would be if there isn't a minimum of 3 orders?
-$100 for redesigning the shape/size/contour

What the shipping costs would be?
- VIC Metro $20 (or pickup)
- NSW/SA Metro $30
- QLD metro $35
- NT/WA metro $40

Would the portion that extends underneath the car be the same as the Berk example?
The Flow Designs concaves to match the bumper line while the Berk cuts straight across. The Berk lip might extend a lot further inward and have more mounting/securing points due to the extra weight compared to a "standard" carbon lip.
- if you require depth this is become a special order and we will need redesign it. this will be POA only.
-If you would like to change the contour/lines/shape/sie this can be done. we will charge a redesign fee of $100 if the order is for less than 3.

How does HDPE compare to carbon in terms of weight?
-
HDPE is a extremely high density plastic and we use the most durable grade possible. Weight would be double over carbon fibre but over 10x the durability. (stronger than plastic chopping boards)
refer to https://www.facebook.com/notes/flow-...83466585022358
If the "Version 2" was an extra $100 for the additional materials and custom length rods then that would be great. If the "Version 2" are included in the GB numbers, meaning, 7x "Version 1" + 1x "Version 2" still gets us into the $300 price for the "Version 1" and $400 for the "Version 2" then I'd be interested - although, there are postage costs on top of that. Another $100 more for a one-off design fee would be a bit much... that would put the lip at over $500 delivered, at which point, I'd probably lean towards the Kerscher carbon lip for around $450 delivered. But if we can get at least three people interested in the "Version 2" then that eliminates the $100 redesign fee.

How far out does the "Version 1" extend from where it mounts to the bumper? And how far out is the "Version 2" expected to extend?

How thick is the lip?

How much does the "Version 1" weigh?

Will the support rods be adjustable and will the lip NOT be pre-drilled for the rods so we can determine where to mount them and at what angle?

From reading their facebook page, it looks like "depth" is classed as the front-most projection to the rear-most projection. Even if the lip is cut straight across at the rear (like the Berk lip), the "depth" should still be the same. It would be good to know how they interpret it.
Also, the rear of the lip probably shouldn't cut straight across - there really should be some contouring around the wheel-well so the rear of the lip doesn't encroach on the tyre space. Something like this...



EDIT: I just checked underneath my bumper and, while it looks like the lip should be contoured, it's not as pronounced as the photo above (which I think is from an M3). Also, interesting to note is that the Berk lip is not countoured and yet it doesn't seem to impede into to wheel-well. From the point where it just cuts straight across it sits in front of the wheel-well but the side view photos show that the lip wraps right around to the inner edge of the guard. If it does that, and looking at my car, it seems like cutting straight across would cause the lip to impede on the wheel-well. Something doesn't seem right.


Here are some more photos, in particular how the support rods connect - I've only shown where it mounts under the bumper as I don't think I like them mounting on the "fangs"...


















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Quote:
Originally Posted by 7smurfs View Post
Updates regarding current design:

"We have now added adjustable aero spacers to our design
the kit will comes with 2 pre mounted spacers + the aero adjustment kit

same price if its a group buy

They are not visible from outside the car unless u peer though the opening.

That is our prototype piece so those photos show the CNC marks but it gives you an idea of what it will look like when you open the box

In terms of fitment. it will comes down to the installer "



More pics to come.
Might look at getting one installed on my car first so that you guys can check it out in person and see how good fitment is, otherwise I've been told that it is basically the same as the prototype without the markings..
Is the purpose of the adjustable aero spacers to angle the lip downwards? I've always thought that lips should be mounted with a zero degree pitch to get maximum downforce - perhaps that's only relevant for motorsport applications.
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