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Nugget · 07-18-2012, 01:27 AM

I got M3 suspension bits installed recently and the specs on the alignment done afterwards don't look right to me.
There is a large amount of cross camber. It was explained that it would even out when I was in the drivers seat. Would 200lbs in the front right seat fix this? I didn't think compression changed camber on MacPherson struts?

jsmonet · 07-18-2012, 01:41 AM

it's surprising they didn't just ask your weight and put that amount on the driver's seat O_o

John_01 · 07-18-2012, 06:29 PM

Camber error of 1 degree seems a really big misalignment. It doesn't seem right to me at all. I am not an expert, but I doubt that's going to be fixed by sitting in the drivers seat. Do you know if there is any record of the alignment numbers before the suspension work was done?

Nugget · 07-19-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by John_01

Camber error of 1 degree seems a really big misalignment. It doesn't seem right to me at all. I am not an expert, but I doubt that's going to be fixed by sitting in the drivers seat. Do you know if there is any record of the alignment numbers before the suspension work was done?

Yeah doesn't look quite right but hoping some experts here can chime in.
If you can read the picture the final setting are

CAMBER
Front left: -1.45
Front right: -0.30
Rear Left: -1.49
Rear Right: -0.40

TOE
Front left: +0.06
Front right: +0.06
Rear Left: +0.06
Rear Right: +0.09

brusk · 07-20-2012, 09:45 AM

I don't agree with the front camber difference as the specs on the cross camber is -0.50 to 0.50. As for the toe for performance you would want about 0 or slightly in the negative numbers for the front and for the rear the specs are 0.12 to 0.18 which on the highway equates to a little safer for doing quick lane changes to keep the rear in check. I had mine done yesterday and you can see the specs they went with. All they really wanted to know is it was an aggressive street setup. Although I'm not happy with the front camber settings as it should have been more.

fourtailpipes · 07-20-2012, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugget

Yeah doesn't look quite right but hoping some experts here can chime in.
If you can read the picture the final setting are

CAMBER
Front left: -1.45
Front right: -0.30
Rear Left: -1.49
Rear Right: -0.40

TOE
Front left: +0.06
Front right: +0.06
Rear Left: +0.06
Rear Right: +0.09

that's a pretty sh!t alignment. have them fix the camber and recheck the other numbers after.

cpt97m3 · 07-26-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fourtailpipes

that's a pretty sh!t alignment. have them fix the camber and recheck the other numbers after.

+1. The camber is off.

Pig Farmer · 07-27-2012, 07:22 AM

I suspect their whole alignment rack is off. If you are at the stock ride height with m3 conrol arms (and the camber pin removed), I seem to recall the max negative camber on the 1-series is around 1.1 - 1.2 degrees. Negative camber of 1.5 seems a stretch. I would go elsewhere for a proper alignment.

fourtailpipes · 07-27-2012, 12:52 PM

maybe the alignment tech forgot he was only wearing one shoe?

Nugget · 10-03-2012, 12:57 AM

I am installing Dinan camber plates and getting a new alignment done. Does anyone have recommendations of what numbers I should aim for? I do aim to track the car fairly regularly.

Nugget · 12-11-2012, 08:20 PM

As a follow up to this, I installed Dinan camber plates and got a new alignment done at a different shop, looks a lot more reasonable.

CAMBER
Front left: -2.28
Front right: -2.22
Rear Left: -1.2
Rear Right: -1.19

TOE
Front left: 0
Front right: 0
Rear Left: +0.5
Rear Right: +0.5

Caster
Left: +7.12
Right: +7.07

According to their alignment sheet the previous set up was pretty funky. It had massive amounts of toe in on the back and nothing was even left to right.

07-18-2012, 01:27 AM	#1
Nugget Lieutenant Drives: 2011 135i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Perth Posts: 591 iTrader: (2)	Cross Camber I got M3 suspension bits installed recently and the specs on the alignment done afterwards don't look right to me. There is a large amount of cross camber. It was explained that it would even out when I was in the drivers seat. Would 200lbs in the front right seat fix this? I didn't think compression changed camber on MacPherson struts?
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brusk First Lieutenant Drives: 2008 135i Coupe Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 362 iTrader: (1)	I don't agree with the front camber difference as the specs on the cross camber is -0.50 to 0.50. As for the toe for performance you would want about 0 or slightly in the negative numbers for the front and for the rear the specs are 0.12 to 0.18 which on the highway equates to a little safer for doing quick lane changes to keep the rear in check. I had mine done yesterday and you can see the specs they went with. All they really wanted to know is it was an aggressive street setup. Although I'm not happy with the front camber settings as it should have been more. Attached Images __________________ 2008 135i - Cobb AP, MS DP's, Berk street exhaust, AMS IC, BMS DCI, CDV delete, Quaife LSD, M3 control arms, M3 rear SF bushings, SS brake lines.

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07-18-2012, 01:41 AM	#2
jsmonet First Lieutenant Drives: 2012 135 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: so cal Posts: 396 iTrader: (2)	it's surprising they didn't just ask your weight and put that amount on the driver's seat O_o

07-18-2012, 06:29 PM	#3
John_01 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: E90 325i, E82 135i Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,675 iTrader: (0)	Camber error of 1 degree seems a really big misalignment. It doesn't seem right to me at all. I am not an expert, but I doubt that's going to be fixed by sitting in the drivers seat. Do you know if there is any record of the alignment numbers before the suspension work was done?

07-27-2012, 07:22 AM	#8
Pig Farmer Lieutenant Drives: 2009 BMW 135i Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 489 iTrader: (0)	I suspect their whole alignment rack is off. If you are at the stock ride height with m3 conrol arms (and the camber pin removed), I seem to recall the max negative camber on the 1-series is around 1.1 - 1.2 degrees. Negative camber of 1.5 seems a stretch. I would go elsewhere for a proper alignment.

07-27-2012, 12:52 PM	#9
fourtailpipes Major Drives: OPCs Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Work Posts: 1,156 iTrader: (0)	maybe the alignment tech forgot he was only wearing one shoe?

10-03-2012, 12:57 AM	#10
Nugget Lieutenant Drives: 2011 135i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Perth Posts: 591 iTrader: (2)	I am installing Dinan camber plates and getting a new alignment done. Does anyone have recommendations of what numbers I should aim for? I do aim to track the car fairly regularly.

12-11-2012, 08:20 PM	#11
Nugget Lieutenant Drives: 2011 135i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Perth Posts: 591 iTrader: (2)	As a follow up to this, I installed Dinan camber plates and got a new alignment done at a different shop, looks a lot more reasonable. CAMBER Front left: -2.28 Front right: -2.22 Rear Left: -1.2 Rear Right: -1.19 TOE Front left: 0 Front right: 0 Rear Left: +0.5 Rear Right: +0.5 Caster Left: +7.12 Right: +7.07 According to their alignment sheet the previous set up was pretty funky. It had massive amounts of toe in on the back and nothing was even left to right.