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      12-10-2012, 08:45 PM   #1
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Wheel bolt

How to turn your day BAD, Why do people over torque there wheel bolts ?
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      12-10-2012, 09:14 PM   #2
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More then likely a victim of a cowboy at the tyre shop!
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      12-10-2012, 10:49 PM   #3
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That's nasty, got to Oxy cut the one left in the wheel.
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      12-11-2012, 05:24 AM   #4
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That's nasty, got to Oxy cut the one left in the wheel.
Just a pain. We made up a sleeve to slip over the lock bolt and welded the sleeve and bolt then welded an old 1/2 drive socket to the sleeve,
Thank god it worked but took an hour or so. Just a waist of time as this really shouldn't happen.
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      12-12-2012, 12:44 AM   #5
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I've changed all my wheel bolts to normal ones. The BMW lock nut which 'attaches' to the wheel nut is also made of fairly soft metal. it can easily deform. slightly less problematic but still a pain having to source another one.

I've had both instances happen to me. Changing from track wheels to normal wheels regularly increases the probability...

Do people still steal wheels?
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      12-12-2012, 01:06 AM   #7
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why do i get the feeling that when i walk to my car tonight, i'm going to get a reality check...
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      12-12-2012, 02:54 AM   #8
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I'd suggest wheel bolts are a consumable chaps and recommend changing them regularly if you track your car. I lost the heads off two in one trip to Wakefield earlier in the year.
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      12-12-2012, 02:38 PM   #9
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It's been pissing me off for years with tire shops using Pneumatic Torque Wrenches that over tighten wheel nuts.

I have no idea how most people would be able to undo wheel nuts with the tools supplied in a vehicle after have tires fitted by most tire shops.

The first thing I do is when I get the vehicle home is to undo the wheel nuts and re tighten them to my specifications.

In 45 years over 40+ cars, I've never had a wheel nut come loose. They do not have to be tightened until they are almost ready to sheer off.

The vehicle manufacturer provides in most cases a wheel nut removal implement that should be able to do the job. If that takes more that Superman strength to get that tool to remove the nuts, they were too bloody tight.

I just had new tires fitted to my 4WD and had to undo the nuts with a special socket wrench I made up that has a 1 meter long arm for Bobcat wheel removal.
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+1 ^

Buy a torque wrench and check every month esp if tracking car. Usually around 120Nm.

A good tyre shop will do a manual torque setting after tightening up
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The vehicle manufacturer provides in most cases a wheel nut removal implement that should be able to do the job. If that takes more that Superman strength to get that tool to remove the nuts, they were too bloody tight.


About 2 years ago I ended up buying a breaker bar to remove the wheel bolts after getting new Tyres from Jax Quickfit in Bondi Junction. When I complained to The gorilla-sized bloke working at Jax, I was told the bolts were not overtightened at all and if they are loose enough to allow removal using hand tools (by a normal sized human) it doesn't provide adequate safety . Now I use a torque wrench I discovered there shouldn't be any difficulty at all to remove if torqued correctly.
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      12-12-2012, 05:49 PM   #12
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:I was told the bolts were not overtightened at all and if they are loose enough to allow removal using hand tools (by a normal sized human) it doesn't provide adequate safety
Read: come back here for anything to do with your wheels and tyres so we can get money out of you. Also I am lazy and don't want to take an extra 2 seconds with your wheel so I just bang on the rattle gun until the bolt is almost welded on.
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Read: come back here for anything to do with your wheels and tyres so we can get money out of you. Also I am lazy and don't want to take an extra 2 seconds with your wheel so I just bang on the rattle gun until the bolt is almost welded on.
.... and chip your alloys' lug holes with the rattle gun
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.... and chip your alloys' lug holes with the rattle gun
That's the worst....
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Buy a torque wrench and check every month esp if tracking car. Usually around 120Nm.

A good tyre shop will do a manual torque setting after tightening up
I was impressed that Wheels World actually looked up the torque rating specified by BMW and did the bolts up to the proper rating manually using a torque wrench.
In the past I've had them rattled on way too tight, and once way too loose. After a skid pan day I heard a thumping noise and thought I had broken something. Turns out my bolts weren't even finger tight anymore!
I now check them regularly.
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Now, I'm never going to mod or track my car, but I keep on coming back here for the good advice that is to be found on this forum. Thanks, guys, a torque wrench is going to be part of my on-car tool kit!
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      12-14-2012, 05:15 PM   #17
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Just a pain. We made up a sleeve to slip over the lock bolt and welded the sleeve and bolt then welded an old 1/2 drive socket to the sleeve,
Thank god it worked but took an hour or so. Just a waist of time as this really shouldn't happen.
If the bolt has snap off with the flange still attach to the HEX part shouldnt you be able to undo all the wheel bolts, take the wheel off and just use a vice grip to undo the broken piece that is still in the hub?
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      12-14-2012, 05:32 PM   #18
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I don't understand why nobody has stolen those brakes whilst their stealing the wheels

Aston martin brakes...
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If the bolt has snap off with the flange still attach to the HEX part shouldnt you be able to undo all the wheel bolts, take the wheel off and just use a vice grip to undo the broken piece that is still in the hub?
It won't have snapped the head. From my experiences it will strip out the lock nut spline. Friendly tip, also important to never rattle gun your lock nuts OFF.
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      12-16-2012, 03:04 AM   #20
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Ugh, scary stuff. Been meaning to go out and get a jack and wrench since my car didn't even come with anything... although I did get it done properly by Tyrepower North Melb I've done two track days since. Definitely a priority now thanks for the heads up guys.
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