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      06-28-2011, 01:46 PM   #1
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European Delivery Wholesale Pricing?

My brother and I will be going on a trip to Europe and he figures rather than buying a 1M here (and having to deal with dealer allocation issues) why not just take the ED option and enjoy the car in its homeland.

Any have the pricing sheet for ED wholesale pricing on the 1M. Or can it be calculated accurately by taking the US invoice price of $42,445 and multiplying it by .93 to calculate the ED wholesale price? By that math a base model 1M should have an ED invoice of around $39,474.

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It's my understanding that ED cars still come from the dealer allocations as it will ultimately be a US car when you ship it back, not to mention the 7% comes off MSRP not the invoice. Nice try though...
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It's my understanding that ED cars still come from the dealer allocations as it will ultimately be a US car when you ship it back, not to mention the 7% comes off MSRP not the invoice. Nice try though...
I have ready many places that ED cars do NOT come out of dealer allocation. Regardless, if anyone can point out the ED invoice it would be better than ED MSRP.
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I have ready many places that ED cars do NOT come out of dealer allocation. Regardless, if anyone can point out the ED invoice it would be better than ED MSRP.
This car does though because of its limited availability.

To find the approximate ED invoice just multiply the US MSRP x .86. The ED invoice is usually always 14% lower than the US MSRP for any BMW.

Good luck getting ED invoice for this car though. Its not going to happen at this point. A few people got it but that was before the craze started. I got mine for ED MSRP which was good IMO. Most dealers won't even do that anymore. Just search for the pricing on this in older threads and you'll see what I mean.
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This car does though because of its limited availability.

To find the approximate ED invoice just multiply the US MSRP x .86. The ED invoice is usually always 14% lower than the US MSRP for any BMW.

Good luck getting ED invoice for this car though. Its not going to happen at this point. A few people got it but that was before the craze started. I got mine for ED MSRP which was good IMO. Most dealers won't even do that anymore. Just search for the pricing on this in older threads and you'll see what I mean.
Yea, .86 is pretty much what I meant. I wasn't implying the the ED price was 7% below invoice as mswaz thought I was saying. I was simply saying that if the ED MSRP is 7% below the US MSRP wouldn't the ED invoice be 7% below the US invoice?

Sq86, I do realize it's unlikely to get such a good deal on a 1M at this point in the game, but it can't hurt to try, right? I'm not trying to get ED invoice on the car for him, just something shy of MSRP such as $1,500ish above invoice. Hence I'm gathering the most accurate information I can find before we make a trip to some local dealers to try to strike a deal.

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i would say find a dealer with an open allocation first. that's the biggest challenge.
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i would say find a dealer with an open allocation first. that's the biggest challenge.

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Find an allocation.
See if the dealer will do ED.
Then attempt negotiation.
Then be happy to get ED MSRP.
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My brother and I will be going on a trip to Europe and he figures rather than buying a 1M here (and having to deal with dealer allocation issues) why not just take the ED option and enjoy the car in its homeland.

Any have the pricing sheet for ED wholesale pricing on the 1M. Or can it be calculated accurately by taking the US invoice price of $42,445 and multiplying it by .93 to calculate the ED wholesale price? By that math a base model 1M should have an ED invoice of around $39,474.

Thanks in advance gents!
As others have pointed out already:

1. The 1M ED needs to be coordinated through a dealer.

2. Dealers lose money on ED.

3. Given the limited availability and extremely positive press the car is getting most dealers are now aware that they can easily get MSRP or above and will not agree to ED unless you already have a personal relationship with the sales manager or owner.

I went with one of the highest regarded dealers in GA (based on recommendations from friends and colleagues as well as online reviews) and they flat out told me no ED for this car. They are throwing in a few things because I put my deposit down within minutes of walking in and finding they had an open allocation.

Kinda sucks but there you have it. My fiancee is German and we visit every year. Would have been sweet to see how the 1M got on against her mom's 993 4S on the Autobahn (she insists that the BMW is not a true sports car like her Porsche)

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Find an allocation.
See if the dealer will do ED.
Then attempt negotiation.
Then be happy to get ED MSRP.
Hmmm ... I did not realize that this was an option. Are you sure you can do ED MSRP?
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As others have pointed out already:

1. The 1M ED needs to be coordinated through a dealer.

2. Dealers lose money on ED.

3. Given the limited availability and extremely positive press the car is getting most dealers are now aware that they can easily get MSRP or above and will not agree to ED unless you already have a personal relationship with the sales manager or owner.

1. True
2. False, dealers do not lose money on ED
3. False, many have agreed to ED

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Hmmm ... I did not realize that this was an option. Are you sure you can do ED MSRP?
Every ED I have heard of was at ED MSRP, some people even got ED invoice (I know of 2 for sure at $500 over invoice of 39,500)
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Every ED I have heard of was at ED MSRP, some people even got ED invoice (I know of 2 for sure at $500 over invoice of 39,500)
That's exactly what I've wanted to hear Thanks for that invoice Papethova! And thanks for all the help and input everyone! You guys are certainly a great community.
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1. True
2. False, dealers do not lose money on ED
3. False, many have agreed to ED



Every ED I have heard of was at ED MSRP, some people even got ED invoice (I know of 2 for sure at $500 over invoice of 39,500)
Clarification - Dealers lose money on ED if they sell at Invoice don't they? I based my ED pricing on the ED webpage on BMW USA. It does not indicate ED is possible at MSRP hence my assumption that they would lose money.

I guess I need to call my CA and ask him why the he did not mention ED @ MSRP when I put down my deposit and asked for ED.

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Clarification - Dealers lose money on ED if they sell at Invoice don't they? I based my ED pricing on the ED webpage on BMW USA. It does not indicate ED is possible at MSRP hence my assumption that they would lose money.

I guess I need to call my CA and ask him why the he did not mention ED @ MSRP when I put down my deposit and asked for ED.

Dealer invoice is lower for ED and the mark up to MSRP is similar as US invoice vs US MSRP. So they dont get dinged for selling an ED car versus a US delivery car.

Even selling at invoice they arent losing money, they are just making less money (they lose the difference from invoice to MSRP)

Any dealer selling an ED car at US MSRP is making a mark up!!

There are 2 invoice prices ED and US and 2 MSRPS again ED and US
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Dealer invoice is lower for ED and the mark up to MSRP is similar as US invoice vs US MSRP. So they dont get dinged for selling an ED car versus a US delivery car.

Even selling at invoice they arent losing money, they are just making less money (they lose the difference from invoice to MSRP)

Any dealer selling an ED car at US MSRP is making a mark up!!

There are 2 invoice prices ED and US and 2 MSRPS again ED and US
This would be true of cars that do not come out of Dealer Allocation. Not true for the 1M. It is up to dealer for these cars and most will not honor the ED discount.

I also have this same ED printout for my car, however I am still working on the Manager to honor the price and I am a repeat buyer three times over. Most cars are getting marked up over MSRP, dealers have no incentive to sell at ED price.
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This would be true of cars that do not come out of Dealer Allocation. Not true for the 1M. .
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and most will not honor the ED discount.

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There are plenty of dealers that will make a deal at ED MSRP. I can give you a list of 40 dealers that I have called and none have balked at ED MSRP pricing. I myself have two deposits at two dealers for ED MSRP. Perhaps in certain areas of the country ( likely California and New York or other coastal large cities) getting ED msrp is impossible but it's certainly not an issue from south Carolina to west texas.

To the OP. The US ED discount for the 1M is listed on the BMW USA website.
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the question is do dealers make holdback money on the ED 1M? i dont think they do but i couldnt confirm with my dealer
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There are plenty of dealers that will make a deal at ED MSRP. I can give you a list of 40 dealers that I have called and none have balked at ED MSRP pricing. I myself have two deposits at two dealers for ED MSRP. Perhaps in certain areas of the country ( likely California and New York or other coastal large cities) getting ED msrp is impossible but it's certainly not an issue from south Carolina to west texas.

To the OP. The US ED discount for the 1M is listed on the BMW USA website.
Having deposits at dealers and getting a production number and ED date are two completly different things.

As I said I also have the ED pricing sheet with my Production number and Delivery date and it lists the ED price on it as well. However this is just a default print out for an ED date, in my case 08/08/11. I also have had my deposit on the car since last October with 2K down but getting the dealer to honor this price is another story.

Let us know when you get your Allocation and ED date and the final price.
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1. True
2. False, dealers do not lose money on ED
3. False, many have agreed to ED



Every ED I have heard of was at ED MSRP, some people even got ED invoice (I know of 2 for sure at $500 over invoice of 39,500)
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I have paid for and taken delivery of my car at ED MSRP.
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I have paid for and taken delivery of my car at ED MSRP.

I guess you wouldn't mind showing us your final price paper work then?

And when was your ED date?
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if this is true, please share with the group. seems folks are dying to get a real allocation, let alone ED. sounds like these dealers are blowing smoke.

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There are plenty of dealers that will make a deal at ED MSRP. I can give you a list of 40 dealers that I have called and none have balked at ED MSRP pricing. I myself have two deposits at two dealers for ED MSRP. Perhaps in certain areas of the country ( likely California and New York or other coastal large cities) getting ED msrp is impossible but it's certainly not an issue from south Carolina to west texas.

To the OP. The US ED discount for the 1M is listed on the BMW USA website.

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I guess you wouldn't mind showing us your final price paper work then?

And when was your ED date?
June 8th. It's on the Otello now for July 11th arrival at Brunswick, GA.

Will be doing Performance Center Redelivery, hopefully late July/early August.

I'll see about the paper work.
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