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      01-17-2013, 04:53 PM   #45
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      01-17-2013, 06:56 PM   #46
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I just want to say thanks to everyone for the input. When I went to my dealer and told them I was considering both the 128 and the 335 my sales person whom is the gm just laughed at me. His response was really, you will never be happy with the 128 considering how adamant you have been around the bigger engine the past two cars. After thinking about it and taking my e92 out for some spirited driving I would tend to agree. I think I would be aggravated within two days of having the car, that I didn't get the bigger engine. Leasing a car for 3 years and being pissed at myself that I gave up the N55 for a couple lunches at Chiptole on a monthly basis would not be a fun thing. So N55 is the choice. Again thanks for all your input it was very helpful!

Great Choice OP.

I test drove the DCT 135 and the auto 128 before getting the 135 manual. I feel it wasn't really a fair comparison since the manual 128 is so much faster than the auto. I don't think the 128 is underpowered at all. I think of it as a bit faster than a GTI which isn't "fast" but its a quick little car.

You may have been happy with the 128, but it was definitely a safer bet to go with the 135. If you were concerned about engine performance in your last two cars, I think it was a wise choice.

Having owned mine for about a month and a bit I feel its very hard to use the 135i's power on a daily basis. As others have said if you max out 3rd gear its a pretty severe speeding ticket here in Ontario. However those brief acceleration stints getting on the hwy on-ramp are always fun and bring a smile to my face every time.
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      01-18-2013, 01:43 PM   #47
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Nice...update us when you get it.

Nowever, I am disappointed Broken Vert's comment didn't turn this into coupe vs. vert thread....those are always entertaining
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      01-18-2013, 01:48 PM   #48
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I agree with what you were told. Going from a lot of power to substantially less is awkward and usually upsetting since everybody loves gobs of power. The only n54 i've driven is my dad 335i vert, which feels like a boat compared to my 1er. Though that motor absolutely pulls without even revving it out, i hit 100 in what felt like it takes the time to hit 60 in my 128.
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      01-18-2013, 02:27 PM   #49
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No real wrong choice on this. Have fun with the new car!

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      01-18-2013, 03:14 PM   #50
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Damnit we lost another one!
don't worry its okay, when our cars are still on the original motor in 10 years we can brag
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don't worry its okay, when our cars are still on the original motor in 10 years we can brag
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don't worry its okay, when our cars are still on the original motor in 10 years we can brag
ha-ha, so true.....but why did the sale guy say, he would be happier with the bigger engine, does the turbo count as displacement too
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      01-19-2013, 12:05 PM   #54
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don't worry its okay, when our cars are still on the original motor in 10 years we can brag
Hahaha so true!
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With the E8X platform being as light (relatively speaking) as it is, the N52 may be exactly what you are looking for. The E9X platform is a few hundred# heavier, which will make the N55 feel less powerful.

Now, if you do purchase the 128 and feel its under powered, there isn't a whole lot you can do. If you get the 135 and feel even that is under powered, you can get a light piggyback tune and have more power cheap and instantly without getting your hands dirty.

For a 4k difference, I would take the 135. And even then, I would consider a CPO '10 instead for value as well as the N54.
I think he should get the 135i as well, but the 128i Vert and the 335i Coupe are nearly the same weight. Convertible parts add a ton of weight.
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I think he should get the 135i as well, but the 128i Vert and the 335i Coupe are nearly the same weight. Convertible parts add a ton of weight.
Only if it's a folding hardtop. The additional chassis bracing and frame/motors for the soft top aren't all that bad. The absence of the hard top and rear glass lower the c/g somewhat as well.
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      01-19-2013, 02:29 PM   #57
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Just a quick update, ordered the car today. Space Gray, Coral Red, Msport, Premium, HK sound, Heated seats, Bluetooth, 6mt, and moonlight roof.
Now the wait begins. Shouldn't be that bad since its dead of winter in VT and the upcoming week the high is going to be 8 degrees. Sure will be fun when I get to drop the top for the first time
Again thanks for all the input gave me a lot to consider!
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      01-19-2013, 05:50 PM   #58
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Only if it's a folding hardtop. The additional chassis bracing and frame/motors for the soft top aren't all that bad. The absence of the hard top and rear glass lower the c/g somewhat as well.
Incorrect. There is a 300lb weight difference between the 128i and the 128i soft top vert. If he is getting the vert he should get the 135i vert so the extra 140lbs of turbo piping(on top of the initial 300lbs) can provide the extra oomph he will likely be missing from his 335i.

And holy crap the 335i xDrive weighs a lot.



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Incorrect. There is a 300lb weight difference between the 128i and the 128i soft top vert. If he is getting the vert he should get the 135i vert so the extra 140lbs of turbo piping(on top of the initial 300lbs) can provide the extra oomph he will likely be missing from his 335i.

And holy crap the 335i xDrive weighs a lot.



Interesting information - but I don't notice that much lack of "oomph" on my wife's 128i convertible at all. I will say that it feels a lot lighter than my 335i coupe, even though, according to your figures above, it's supposedly only 270 lbs. lighter. It all depends on the level of performance you're looking for, and whether it's worth the additional $4600 (or more) to get the turbocharged engine. All I can say is we enjoy the hell out of our 128 convertible, she's happy with the power level, and in the end, that's all that really counts.
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Interesting information - but I don't notice that much lack of "oomph" on my wife's 128i convertible at all. I will say that it feels a lot lighter than my 335i coupe, even though, according to your figures above, it's supposedly only 270 lbs. lighter. It all depends on the level of performance you're looking for, and whether it's worth the additional $4600 (or more) to get the turbocharged engine. All I can say is we enjoy the hell out of our 128 convertible, she's happy with the power level, and in the end, that's all that really counts.
No no, that was 128i Coupe to 128i Vert. My point was that the soft top adds a significant amount of weight over the coupe.

335i Coupe is heavier than the 128i Vert by a decent amount.

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No no, that was 128i Coupe to 128i Vert. My point was that the soft top adds a significant amount of weight over the coupe.

335i Coupe is heavier than the 128i Vert by a decent amount.

plus the fact my e92 is a xdrive, isn't that heavier than the i?
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plus the fact my e92 is a xdrive, isn't that heavier than the i?
3,759 lbs. More than a lot of E60s. Spec for spec the E60 is only 70lbs heavier or so than the E90.
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3,759 lbs. More than a lot of E60s. Spec for spec the E60 is only 70lbs heavier or so than the E90.
I believe my E92's empty weight is supposed to be 3570 lbs - that's what I was comparing the 128 convertible's weight to. Most of that extra weight is chassis bracing, and is at the bottom of the car, so it doesn't have that much of an effect on handling. Again, a lot depends on what the car will be used for - it's not as ideal for tracking as the 128 coupe would be, but the open-air factor adds a lot to the experience, especially in warmer climate areas.

I should mention that I put 18" wheels and tires (same as 335i 18" staggered fitment) on the 128 to improve the ride and handling. It definitely changed both for the better.
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I should mention that I put 18" wheels and tires (same as 335i 18" staggered fitment) on the 128 to improve the ride and handling. It definitely changed both for the better.
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Explain how a wheel does this?
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Explain how a wheel does this?
Simple - the 18" wheels/non-rft tires are wider and slightly larger overall diameter (larger contact patch), plus the offset makes the track slightly wider as well. Compared to the skinny 17" stock M-Sport wheels and rft tires, the handling and ride are considerably better. Cornering limits are definitely higher with the larger wheels and tires (pretty much the same as what the 135i comes with).
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Simple - the 18" wheels/non-rft tires are wider and slightly larger overall diameter (larger contact patch), plus the offset makes the track slightly wider as well. Compared to the skinny 17" stock M-Sport wheels and rft tires, the handling and ride are considerably better. Cornering limits are definitely higher with the larger wheels and tires (pretty much the same as what the 135i comes with).
So really, the tires were the upgrade.

Transitioning from 17" to 18" wheels would reduce ride comfort, increase rotational inertia(meaning that a similar or even lighter wheel will act like a heavier wheel than a 17"), and in the extreme sense will reduce the contact patch. Think of drag radials on drag cars, small wheels for additional flex and squish off the line.
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