Procede stage selection clarification

Ramos · 02-10-2009, 02:36 PM

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Gen_E92 · 02-10-2009, 03:19 PM

Yes I believe you can run stage one with just DCI...93 oct if possible

But here is my question, what if I have BMC filter, air scoops, second cat delete, and RD race muffler, would I be able to run stage 1 with 91 oct?

Sniz · 02-10-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gen_E92

Yes I believe you can run stage one with just DCI...93 oct if possible

But here is my question, what if I have BMC filter, air scoops, second cat delete, and RD race muffler, would I be able to run stage 1 with 91 oct?

i'm willing to say yes

NM_BMW · 02-10-2009, 03:25 PM

You can run stg1 and be fine. Stg1 is exactly how the Vishnu website states... You MUST have an intake (DCI or otherwise). The exhuast is mentioned, but it does state you can have one set of cats of both sets....

Ruff Rider · 02-10-2009, 03:27 PM

I run stage 1 on 91 oct. Only mod is DCI. Works fine for me

Dustin Bramell · 02-10-2009, 03:47 PM

The stage 1 map will work with anything for a bone stock car to a car with intake, and exhaust. However, once you add downpipes to that mix, you will need to run a stage 2 map.

And for those wondering, the stage 0 map is similar to a stage 1 map, but just more conservative.

Ramos · 02-10-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dustin@Vishnu

The stage 1 map will work with anything for a bone stock car to a car with intake, and exhaust. However, once you add downpipes to that mix, you will need to run a stage 2 map.

And for those wondering, the stage 0 map is similar to a stage 1 map, but just more conservative.

Thanks, more specifically though how about Just DCI on California 91 Octane.. Can that run Stage 1? Are you more likely to set off manipulation codes with stage 1 compared to stage 0?

Yinger · 02-10-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramos

Thanks, more specifically though how about Just DCI on California 91 Octane.. Can that run Stage 1? Are you more likely to set off manipulation codes with stage 1 compared to stage 0?

From my understanding... as long as you don't adjust the User torque and leave it at the default, you should be fine. That's if you're running 29.2 and later software. I'm running stage 1 with just DCI and 91. Just be sure to run the doomsday map.

Ramos · 02-10-2009, 04:20 PM

Sweet.. Thanks... What kind of gains are you seeing from Procede/DCI/91octane/Stage1 combo?

Slidewayz · 02-10-2009, 04:37 PM

Hmmm...I am in CA (land of crappy 91 octane) w/PROcede & soon Vishnu DCI.

What is the difference in WHP/WTQ between Stage 0 & Stage 1?

& also, if Stage 1 is 'less conservative', does that increase my chance of popping the engine?

My goal is twofold: (1) faster spool and (2) more power up top & in higher gears. If Stage 1 doesn't get me either of those, then my decision is easy.

OpenFlash · 02-10-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramos

Sweet.. Thanks... What kind of gains are you seeing from Procede/DCI/91octane/Stage1 combo?

Will definitely depend upon car, dyno and testing conditions. But we usually see 60-80whp gains with those modifications.

Shiv

Ruff Rider · 02-10-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Will definitely depend upon car, dyno and testing conditions. But we usually see 60-80whp gains with those modifications.

Shiv

I don't have a dyno to see but I can say when I go from valet to high boost...its hold on. Just so much fun to drive

Ramos · 02-10-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Will definitely depend upon car, dyno and testing conditions. But we usually see 60-80whp gains with those modifications.

Shiv

Thank you... As you can see I have made my decision to go with the Procede.. All the great reviews about the smoothness and drivability have helped..

Two questions:

Can you address the manipulation code question? Is stage 1 more likely to trigger something?

Also, how long will you have the e90post special price going? I would much prefer to purchase directly from Vishnu

Thanks again

Ramos · 02-10-2009, 04:54 PM

One more thing Shiv, just to confirm Stage 1 is okay with 91 octane?

OpenFlash · 02-10-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramos

Thank you... As you can see I have made my decision to go with the Procede.. All the great reviews about the smoothness and drivability have helped..

Two questions:

Can you address the manipulation code question? Is stage 1 more likely to trigger something?

Also, how long will you have the e90post special price going? I would much prefer to purchase directly from Vishnu

Thanks again

Howdy,
None of the Doomsday maps are likely to trigger the manipulation code as long as you don't raise the user torque values. So you shouldn't have anything to worry about on that front.

As for the special pricing, it's really going to depend on when we run out of stock. And we almost have

Shiv

TheAcAvenger · 02-10-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Will definitely depend upon car, dyno and testing conditions. But we usually see 60-80whp gains with those modifications.

Shiv

I saw around 60 (339 from a baseline of 278) on 93 octane with 100% humidity and 84 degrees on the V3 run

enrita · 02-10-2009, 05:02 PM

Can i run Stage 3 with the mods i have on 93/94 octane?

OpenFlash · 02-10-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by enrita

Can i run Stage 3 with the mods i have on 93/94 octane?

Yep... looks that way!

shiv

luca335i · 02-10-2009, 08:23 PM

So downpipes or an IC would be more useful? Im debating still on dps.

OpenFlash · 02-10-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by luca335i

So downpipes or an IC would be more useful? Im debating still on dps.

I'd go with the FMIC if you already have a cat-back with secondary cat deletes.

Shiv

Tobias1980 · 02-11-2009, 03:10 PM

Hi Shiv,

What is the difference between Stage 2 and 3? What is it that makes a power difference and what is the fundamentals behind this? Or is it similair power as Stage 2 but with less turbo preassure?

Lower IAT'S, less preassure drop? Or generally just more aggresive map that you have found suitable with this level of HW support?

BR
/Tobias

Sniz · 02-11-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias1980

Hi Shiv,

What is the difference between Stage 2 and 3? What is it that makes a power difference and what is the fundamentals behind this? Or is it similair power as Stage 2 but with less turbo preassure?

Lower IAT'S, less preassure drop? Or generally just more aggresive map that you have found suitable with this level of HW support?

BR
/Tobias

I believe a less aggressive IAT decay and a few other tidbits adjusted for the far more efficient aftermarket FMIC's.

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Ruff Rider "posting from my recliner" 102 Rep 7,241 Posts Drives: twin turbo Prius Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Where the air is thin iTrader: (0)	I run stage 1 on 91 oct. Only mod is DCI. Works fine for me
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Dustin Bramell Lieutenant 44 Rep 428 Posts Drives: e90 335i, 125cc Trackmagic Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Santa Monica, CA iTrader: (1)	The stage 1 map will work with anything for a bone stock car to a car with intake, and exhaust. However, once you add downpipes to that mix, you will need to run a stage 2 map. And for those wondering, the stage 0 map is similar to a stage 1 map, but just more conservative.
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Ramos Colonel 866 Rep 2,897 Posts Drives: G20 2020 M340 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: So-Cal iTrader: (6)	Sweet.. Thanks... What kind of gains are you seeing from Procede/DCI/91octane/Stage1 combo?
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Slidewayz Major 33 Rep 1,177 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oakland, CA iTrader: (5)	Hmmm...I am in CA (land of crappy 91 octane) w/PROcede & soon Vishnu DCI. What is the difference in WHP/WTQ between Stage 0 & Stage 1? & also, if Stage 1 is 'less conservative', does that increase my chance of popping the engine? My goal is twofold: (1) faster spool and (2) more power up top & in higher gears. If Stage 1 doesn't get me either of those, then my decision is easy.
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