[Acheron83]

Originally Posted by w3rkn

Tell you what, I can re-direct you to a thread in which Vishnu (& Terry Burger) got handed too, by John Conforti. Old, but still poignant.
Re-direct away.

I know what is present inside a ECU... and what piggy's tries to control. There about 50 missing hooks in a piggy. When you don't have all the hooks in the engine, you can only play with a few... and lie about them to the actual ECU. There are actual books written about this...
Well not quite. Not all parameters have to be redefined outright as some are adaptive based other modified values but you are also missing out on the fact the JB system has evolved considerably over many iterations with that advent of ISO and recently the optional supporting back end flash should one choose to use it to achieve greater power and consistency.

I'm not saying the advantages of an ECU flash are intangible, but they are most certainly not essential to making power reliably due to the inbuilt adaption functions of the stock ECU and the JB acting as a secondary ECU with its own "checks and balances"

Now, what you are trying to say is "SO what" it works. And I tend to agree with you, but not without harm and unseen issues. If you were to race in a 24h endurance race, would you want a Juice Box piggy.. or an actual engine-dynometered prepped tune..?
Ah there's that IF/Straw man argument again. You still have yet to define the claimed harm and unseen issues you keep carrying on about. Kindly explain to us what about your theoretical endurance race you believe exposes the flaws of a piggyback unit or Cobb tune. Until you do you have no solid argument that is addressable.

I actually happen to agree with you to a point though. If I was building a car for an endurance or any other hardcore track application I wouldn't be looking at a JB or Dinan since neither one is intended for that use. The fact that you infer that Dinan is somehow more track ready and that hardcore track use equates in terms of requirements for fast street/the odd track day use (which is what 99% of us do) is what is really laughable to me

You answer will illustrate your education level.
...as yours continue to do.

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